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Requesting VASU to put BARAHA into OPEN SOURCE, Answer to Dr. Pavanaja’s email,

Requesting VASU to put BARAHA into OPEN SOURCE, Answer to Dr. Pavanaja’s email, Answer to some of the questions raised here in the email.

Dear Mr. Sheshadrivasu Chandrasekharan,
 
At the out set, I would like to write that our kannada association HONORED you in Southern California during the SILVER JUBLIEE CELEBRATIONS for your kannada fonts BARAHA.  I am the one who dropped you and your wife to the airport. This is way before your email of July 2004 to Mr. Anand owner of Akruthi Fonts. No kannadiga knew anything about what you did till July 2004.
 
Here in this email I have copied the following:
 
1. Your email dated June 22, 2004 to Mr. Anand owner of Akruthi Fonts. This is exact copy of the email that was sent to me by Mr. Anand in 2004 itself.
 
2. Email dated July 29th 2004 written by Dr. U. B. Pavanaja to me – V. M. Kumaraswamy(novamed@aol.com)
I hope Dr. Pavanaja has written factual things. Please go through the email. If you disagree with anything he has written please write back to me. This helps to clarify things for kannadigas. Some kannadigas wants to know it from you.
 
Did you call or email Dr. U. B. Pavanaja? Did Dr. Pavanaja tell you in detail what you needed to do.
 
Dr. Pavanaja says that you are telling all kannadigas by quoating a wrong case to proove that, What you did was correct and that you did not steal the IPR of AKRUTHI Fonts ti develop BARAHA 1.0. You also had sent the same thing to me and other kannadigas also, to prove to kannadigas that you have not done anything wrong. Dr. Pavanaja writes in detail and explains where you cleverly not telling all kannadigas about what really happened in that case of ADOBE Fonts. Do you think Dr. Pavanaja is wrong ???
 
Dr. Pavanaja also concludes that you have stolen Glyphs from Akruthi Fonts in releasing BARAHA 1.0 in 1997. At the same time Dr. Pavanaja concludes that NUDI Fonts has been developed by using BARAHA Fonts. This shows that you have made KAGAPA to take your BARAHA Fonts make KHALITHA Fonts and then rename it as NUDI FONTS and sold it to Govt. of Karnataka. This shows that you are an accessory to develop NUDI Fonts.
 
Also I would like to point out is that, Mr. A. Sathyanarayana, KAGAPA’s Founder Secretary and who worked in KGP/KAGAPA for more than Four years also states in this email to me in 2004, that KAGAPA made KHALITHA Fonts from BARAHA Fonts and then named it NUDI Fonts before selling it to Govt. of Karnataka. Is Mr. A. Sathyanarayana writing wrong on this ?? Please clarify this also.

 
3. Your Press Report of June 15th 2009, which happened in Tumkur. Copy of the entire pdf file is attached for kannadigas to read and some of the important points are typed here in this email for convinience of Kannadigas to read and ponder themselves on what has happened.
 
I have made series of questions to you on this press report 
 
4. Since you are giving BARAHA as FREE DOWNLOAD to KANNADIGAS, why do’t you put BARAHA Fonts into OPEN SOURCE so that APPLICATION SOFTWARES can be developed by KANNADIGAS. You are telling on June 2009 “ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ  ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ” So this will benefit kannadigas anyway.
 
5, In 2004 you gave press statements Deccan Herald, WHY you did not mention anything about ” ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ  ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ ” in 2004. Probably you did not know anything about this at that time, I think. Now you have seen kannadigas are pressing for these, you come and make statements like you did in June 2009.
 
6. One more thing, instead of just saying that KANNADA needs “ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ  ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ”,, Why do’t you develop it yourself or STEAL from some one  else and provided it FREE for KANNADIGAS as you did on BARAHA FONTS.
 
7. One more thing, WITHOUT BARAHA 1.0, you could not have done further releases of BARAHA. Such as BARAHA 2.0, 3.0. 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0, 8.0, and others. You need to know when a baby needs to be born to grow and become grown up. It will not happen just like a real grown up person right from the begining. So you needed BARAHA 1.0 to develop your further releases of BARAHA. As you have stated in your email of July 2004, you have STOLEN the IPR / GLYPHS of AKRUTHI Fonts to release BARAHA 1.0 Fonts in 1997.
 
8. Please do not go on telling others there were no KANNADA FONTS available before BARAHA and NUDI came into existence. Please do not do this and tells LIES to Kannadigas. Govt. of Karnataka was using KANNADA FONTS before BARAHA and NUDI Fonts.
 
9. In conclusion, BARAHA and NUDI have destroyed the KANNADA SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT in Karnataka Statement. I some kannadigas dis agree on this statement. It has been going on like this since 2004 anyway. AGREE to DISAGREE and we need to move on and correct the things for the sake of KANNADA BHASHE.
 
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YOUR email to Mr. S. K. Anand
—– Original Message —–
From: Sheshadrivasu Chandrasekharan <baraha@hotmail.com>
To: <anand@cyberscapeindia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:18 PM
Subject: From Sheshadrivasu Chandrasekharan
> Dear Mr. S.K. Anand,
>
> I recently saw a remark from you in one of the postings in an Internet
> newsgroup which goes as follows…
>
> “We who have been developing such fonts (AKRUTI) well over two decades would
> not like a repeat of the experience, we had when our fonts were pirated off
> the Web and used without acknowledgement, first by an individual who went on
> to release a free software…”
>
> I thought you may be referring to Baraha software in the above remark, and
> hence is this email.
>
> When I started developing a Kannada software, I had no knowledge of fonts at
> all. I experimented a lot with various Kannada fonts available in the
> Internet, including Akruti. This research helped me to understand the
> technology behind the Kannada fonts and I learnt a lot from these software.
> Initially, I wanted Baraha compatible with other Kannada fonts. But due to
> various limitations of such fonts, I had to come up with my own encoding.
I honestly admit that I have used the glyphs from one of the Akruti fonts in Baraha 1.0, and I was not very serious to mention about it.
When I released Baraha 1.0, I didn’t know it will become popular and used by many people. It was only an experiment which I wanted to share with my family and friends.
> But later, when Baraha became popular, for copyright reasons, I had to add
> my own fonts for Kannada and other languages. I have created many new font
> styles, which don’t exist in any other Kannada software. My intention was to
> provide the facility for basic documentation needs of Kannada. It was not my
> intention to copy or re-create various Kannada font styles that are
> available in other packages. Instead I have focussed more on portability of
> Kannada text from Baraha to other software such as Akruti, ShreeLipi, e.t.c.
>
> Through this mail I would like to express my grattitude to various other
> Kannada software for helping me to acquire the knowledge.
My acknowldgements to Akruti software for providing the glyphs which were used in the intial releases of Baraha.
I apologise for this delayed acknowledgement.
>
> Regards
> Vasu
> ***********************************************************
> Free Kannada/Devanagari software – http://www.baraha.com
> ***********************************************************
ನಾನು ವಾಸು,  ೧೯೯೭ ಇಸವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಆಕೃತಿ ಫಾಂಟ್ಸ್ ಇಂದ ಕದ್ದು ಬರಹ ೧.೦ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು ಅಂಥ ೨೦೦೪ ನೆ ಇಸವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಈಮೇಲ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ  ಆಕೃತಿ ಓನರ್ ಆನಂದ್ ಗೆ ತಿಳಿಸಿದ್ದೇನೆ.  ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಸಾಕ್ಷಿ ನನ್ನ ಈಮೇಲ್.
೨೦೦೪ ರ  ಈಮೇಲ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ , ನಾನು, ನನಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಶದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಏನು ಗೊತ್ತಿತ್ರಲಿಲ್ಲ ಅಂಥ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದೇನೆ,
ಎಲ್ಲ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ನನ್ನ ಈಮೇಲ್ ಓದಿ ಅರ್ಥ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕು.
ನಾನು ವಾಸು ಹೇಳುವುದು ಏನಂದರೆ,  ಬರಹ ೧.೦ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ಉಚಿತ ವಾಗಿ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿದ್ದೇನೆ.
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Dr. U. B. Pavanaja’s email to Me (V. M. Kumaraswamy), Detailing the account of FONTS ISSUES.
 
Subject: font issues
Date: 7/29/2004 12:18:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: pavanaja@vishvakannada.com
Reply To:
To: novaMed@aol.com
CC:
BCC:
Sent on:
Sent from the Internet (Details)
 
namaskaara,
I have attached the promised document on the font issues. Hope I can
sleep peacefully now (it is 00:45 hrs in the night) 🙂
sigONa,
Pavanaja
_____________________________
Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
CEO, Vishva Kannada Softech
Think Globally, Act locally
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Font issues -Akruti, Baraha and Nudi
 
by U B Pavanaja
 
Birth of Baraha
 
I had put up Kannada’s first web-site called Vishva Kannada during Dec. 1996 with the support of S K Anand of Cyberscape. Dynamic font technology was not being used by Vishva Kannada at that time. Akruti fonts were given for download at the web-site. Users have to download the font, install it in their PC and then they could read the Vishva Kannada web-site in Kannada. Sometimes in the first half of 1997, I got an email from Sheshadri Vasu who was at USA. In that mail he appreciated Vishva Kannada. He added that it takes a long time to copy characters through CharMap (an utility present in Windows to copy a glyph of a font into any application) and make a Kannada sentence. I explained him how to type in Kannada using the keyboard driver which has to be bought from Cyberscape. I gave the contact details of S K Anand and the approximate price of the software also. Then there was no mail from Vasu for some time. (Recently, during his visit to India in June 2004, Vasu wrote an article for Vijaya Karnataka, wherein he mentioned the discussions he had with me about the relation between font and keyboard driver). One day I got an email from Vasu saying that he has made a software called Baraha that can be used as an editor for Kannada. He wrote that he wanted to give this software free to everyone. The version sent to me was a beta version. He had actually written an editor for the font he downloaded from the web. I asked him about the copyright of the font. He had not thought anything about that. I explained to him the he need to take the permission of S K Anand of Cyberscape to use Akruti fonts in his software. He included the Kan Ballal font which was given to read Udayavani web-site with the first release of Baraha, which was given to some select friends only. Later on he changed the ASCII values of the glyphs of Akruti font and released the Baraha package officially. His idea was that just by changing the ASCII values of the glyphs, his font becomes different from Akruti font. But morally, ethically and legally, this amounts to violation of intellectual property rights. After a long gap of six years, recently (2004), Vasu admitted that he used the glyphs from Akruti fonts, in a mail to S K Anand.
 
Fonts used in Nudi
 
Now let me discuss the about the fonts bundled with Nudi. Nudi was initially thought as a testing software. This was made into a package later on. Myself and Harsha (the programmer who did the coding for Nudi) were opposing the release of Nudi without our own professional fonts. Making a font is an elaborate process. Artists have to draw each character (glyph) on paper, they have to be scanned, digitized, hinted, etc. It takes months for each font. C V Srinatha Sasthry (CVSS), Chief Secretary, Kannada Ganaka Parishat (KGP), told me that he got the font made from someone before submitting the final package to GoK. In one of the executive committee meeting S K Anand and myself questioned CVSS about who made the fonts, how much was paid to him, etc. G N Narsimha Murthy (GNNM), Secretary, KGP, gave a reply that someone at Koppa made the fonts. I mentioned that KGP should have the complete record of making of the fonts like original drawings by the artist, first raw digitized data, the final font, etc. GNNM promised to get all these from Koppa and show to us in the next meeting. He never bothered to do that.
 
I came to know about the entire story about fonts much much later. Initially I used to believe the statements of CVSS about the fonts. But it took almost 2 years for me to accidentally discover the truth. While experimenting with opentype font creation, I was studying the glyphs of all Kannada fonts. When I opened Baraha, Akruti and Nudi fonts in a font editing software, I found that they all have the same glyph sets, even though their ASCII values are different. As Sathyanarayana has detailed in his write-up, the glyphs from Akruti fonts were used in the first version of Baraha, which was then used in the first version of Nudi. As per my knowledge CVSS got this conversion of font encodings done by someone here at Bangalore itself. The fonts were not made from scratch at Koppa. This is clear violation of intellectual property rights. I had a strong and heated argument with CVSS and GNNM about one or two months before the elections to the executive committee of KGP. I blasted CVSS for misleading me and telling lies to me that the fonts were developed at Koppa. CVSS and GNNM have told lies to me and cheated GoK by supplying them with pirated fonts. Definitely my position became very awkward that I being the mentor and the person in charge of Nudi in the initial stages was not informed of these backdoor activities by CVSS. I fired both CVSS and GNNM left and right. At that time GNNM even challenged me to prove these in the court along with S K Anand who had already threatened to sue KGP for violation of intellectual property rights.
 
Vasu’s justification and the realities
 
With this background let me discuss a bit of what Vasu has written in a document and widely circulated in mailing lists. This document is also present in his Baraha discussion group (groups.msn.com/baraha). Let me quote from this document-
 
—————– Begin ———————————
USA courts have long back decided that fonts can’t be copyrighted AT ALL! Here, the digital outline can never be protected. According to them there can’t be any original font style, because, every font is created by slightly modifying some other font, and there aren’t really “new” font designs! See the following excerpts from the law…
 
“The Copyright Office has decided that digitized representations of typeface designs are not registerable under the Copyright Act because they do not constitute original works of authorship. The digitized representations of typefaces are neither original computer programs (as defined in 17 U.S.C. 101), nor original databases, nor any other original work of authorship.”
 
So, in a font, the name, any programming code not describing the font design are all that can be copyrighted. This leaves the door open in the USA to have anyone pay for the output of each character from a typesetter and re-digitize it or extract the design from a font program (and rename it), easily duplicating the design. Most foundries have very similar fonts derived from work largely designed by others. More information about font/copyright can be found at http://ssifonts.com/Myths.htm
———————- End —————————-
Vasu is very cleverly and conveniently quoting from a web-site put up in the year 1997 and has not been updated afterwards. There is a reason for this site not being updated afterwards. This refers to the classic legal battle between Adobe and SSI. Southern Software Inc. (SSI) used to copy and rename fonts from Adobe and others. They thought they were safe from prosecution because, though they had directly copied the points that define the shapes from Adobe’s fonts, they had moved all the points just slightly so they were not technically identical. Nevertheless, in his 1998 judgment, the judge determined that the computer code had been copied:
 
The evidence presented shows that there is some creativity in designing the font software programs. While the glyph dictates to a certain extent what points the editor must choose, it does not dictate every point that must be chosen. Adobe has shown that font editors make creative choices as to what points to select based on the image in front of them on the computer screen. The code is determined directly from the selection of the points. Thus, any copying of the points is copying of literal expression, that is, in essence, copying of the computer code itself.
 
SSI lost the legal battle at the courts. Judgment was in favor of Adobe. Hence SSI did not update their web-site. Vasu is conveniently quoting from this web-site. One can read in detail about this case in the following web-sites:-
 
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.ph…UNESCO_Font_Lic
http://directory.serifmagazine.com/Ethics_…/judgement.php4
http://www.ipcounselors.com/19980309.htm
 
When we conducted a opentype font workshop at Bangalore during March 2003, there was a talk on IPR issues related to fonts by Lawrence Liang, who is an expert on cyber laws. He had discussed this Adobe vs SSI case.
 
Vasu’s interview to Deccan Herald and my comments
 
Vasu gave an interview to Deccan Herald during his visit to Bangalore in June 2004. Here are some excerpts and my comments on them:-
 
> “Then, I, along with Ganaka Parishad and the State Government worked to bring Kannada software for official use”, he (Vasu) said.
 
I don’t remember any of such efforts by Sheshadri Vasu. In fact Vasu was very reluctant to implement the GoK standard for font and keyboard. There was a heated argument between Dr Panditharadhya and K T Chandrashekharan, father of Vasu, in this connection. All along the time Shasthry, Narasimha Murthy and Panditharadhya were advocating that Baraha killed Kannada while Nudi saved it! Vasu did implement the keyboard and font standards after repeated appeals by Shrinatha Shasthry and Narasimha Murthy.
 
> Baraha 4.0 was the first software that was implemented in Government offices with font styles.
 
I don’t think this statement of Sheshadri Vasu is true. There were many Kannada software being used in state govt much much before KGP, Nudi or Baraha came into existence.
 
> But the Ganaka Parishad and the State Government have introduced Nudi software as a benchmark system.
 
If Vasu were to introduce the GoK standards much earlier than the release of Kalitha (Nudi), Nudi would not have come into existence.
 
> Unfortunately for me, the government is insisting the use of Nudi software.
 
Why should be unfortunate to him? He is not selling Baraha.
 
> While Baraha has fulfilled the terms and conditions put forth by the Government, including stipulations such as keyboard and transliteration, I wonder why they are forcing departments to use only Nudi”, he said. One of Baraha’s many advantages, according to Vasu, is that it allows a person who knows Kannada to type it in English fonts. He felt preference of software (Baraha or Nudi) should be left to end user.
 
Why the choice should be only between Nudi and Baraha, both of them are obsolete in the current and future time where Unicode is the world standard? Actually the choice should be between Windows XP/2003, Mac, Linux, Solaris, Java Desktop, Unix, etc. all are having Unicode compliance.
 
Meeting with Vasu in June 2004
 
Vasu was felicitated by Upasana in Bangalore during his visit in June 2004. I met him during that function. I discussed many things in general like Unicode features, facility needed in Baraha to convert RTF and HTML documents into Unicode, etc. Casually I asked him where from he is getting the fonts for his Baraha package. As per his answer, there is an artist in Bangalore who draws the shapes on paper and sends them to him. He (Vasu) scans, digitizes and makes them into fonts. I did not discuss anything about the Akruti font issue.
 
Conclusion and request
 
Baraha has copied and used one font from Akruti software. This font is one of the many fonts bundled with current version of Nudi.
 
I have written everything that I know about the font issues pertaining to Akruti, Baraha and Nudi. My intention is to bring out the truth, however bitter it is. I have no personal animosity with anyone whose name appears in this write-up. Please read this objectively and subjectively. That is, do a vasthunistha (objective) reading rather than a vyakthinishta (subjective) reading.
 
Thanks for your patience and time.
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Sheshadrivasu Chandrashekaran,s press report of June 2009, which happened in TUMKUR. Some of it is typed here for the readers to know what VASU has told. The entire press report is attached to this email as pdf file.
 
ರಾಜ್ಯ ವಾರ್ತೆ – ತುಮಕೂರು  
 
ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ  ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ
 
[Kannada Software – VASU June 2009.pdf (application/pdf) 409.00K] copy attached to this email.
 
ಕನ್ನಡ ಪ್ರಭ ವಾರ್ತೆ , ತುಮಕೂರು , ಜೂನ್ ೧೫ ೨೦೦೯,
 
ಕನ್ನಡ ಭಾಷಾ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಬಹುತೇಕ ತಾಂತ್ರಿಕ (ಸಾಫ್ಟ್ ವೇರ್ ಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ) ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಬಗೆಹರಿದಿವೆ. ಆದರೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಭಾಷಾ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ರುವಂತೆ  ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೂ ವಿವಿದ ರೀತಿಯ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ (ಅಪ್ಲಿಕೇಶನ್) ಗಳನ್ನೂ ರೂಪಿಸಬೇಕಾದ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿದೆ ಎಂದು ಉಚಿತ ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಬರಹದ ರೂವಾರಿ ಅಮೇರಿಕಾದ ಶೇಷಾದ್ರಿ ವಾಸು ಚಂದ್ರಶೇಖರನ್ ಅಭಿಪ್ರಾಯಪಟ್ಟರು.
 
ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಂದು ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶಗಳು ಲಭ್ಯವಿವೆ. ಅವಲ್ಲೆವೂ ಇ-ಮೇಲ್ ಮಾಡಲು, ದಾಖಲಾತಿ ಸಂಗ್ರಹ ಇತ್ಯಾದಿಗಸ್ಟೇ  ಸೀಮಿತವಾಗಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಅಸ್ಟೇ ಸಾಲದು. ವಿವಿದ ವಿಷಯಗಳಿಗೆ ಸಂಭದಿಸಿದಂತೆ ಎಲ್ಲಾ ಮಾಹಿತಿಯೂ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಲಭ್ಯವಾಗುವಂತಾಗಬೇಕು. ಅದಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಗಳು ರೂಪುಗೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕು ಎಂದು ಸಲಹೆ ನೀಡಿದರು.
 
ಲಾಭಕ್ಕ ಅಲ್ಲ, ಖುಷಿಗೆ : ಅಮೆರಿಕಾದಂಥಹ ದೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಕುಳಿತು ಬರಹ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶವನ್ನು ರೂಪಿಸಿದ್ದು ಯಾವುದೇ ಲಾಭದ ಉದ್ದೇಶ ದಿಂದಲ್ಲ. ಕೇವಲ ಸ್ವಂತ ಬಳಕೆಯ ಖುಷಿಯಿಂದ ಎಂದ ಅವರು , ಬರಹ ರೂಪು ಗೊಂಡಾಗ ಖುಷಿಯಾಯಿತು. ಅದು ಹಲವರ ಗಮನಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದಾಗ ಅನೇಕ ಗೆಳೆಯರು ಸಿಕ್ಕಿದರು. ಅಲ್ಲದೆ ಬಿಡುವಿನ ವೇಳೆಯನ್ನು ಸದ್ವಿನಿಯೋಗಪಡಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಬರಹ ಸಂಶೋದನೆ ನೆರವಾಯಿತು. ಅದೇ ಬಹುದೊಡ್ಡ ಖುಷಿ ಸಂಗತಿಯಾಯಿತು.
 
ಜೀವನೋಪಾಯಕ್ಕೆ ಒಂದು ಉದ್ಯೋಗವಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಹವ್ಯಾಸವಾಗಿ ನಡೆಸಿದ ಪ್ರಯೋಗ ಬರಹ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ರೂಪ ಪಡೆಯಿತು. ಆ ಪ್ರಯೋಗ ಯಶಸ್ವಿಯಾದ್ದರಿಂದ ಅದನ್ನು ಉಚಿತವಾಗಿ ಜನಬಳಕೆಗೆ ಇಂಟರ್ ನೆಟ್ ನಳ್ಳಿ ಮುಕ್ತ ಅವಕಾಶ ನೀಡಲಾಯಿತು, 
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SOME QUESTIONS to PONDER?

QUESTIONS to VASU on the June 2009 press report which is attached here and some part copied above. Kannadigas need to know this from vasu.
 
 
ಶೇಷಾದ್ರಿ ವಾಸು ಹೇಳಿದ ಹಾಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಬಗೆಹರಿದಿಲ್ಲ.  ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ  ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಇನ್ನು  ಜಾಸ್ತಿ ಹಾಗಿದೆ. 
 
ವಾಸು, ಪರ್ತಕರ್ತ ಶ್ರೀ. ಪ್ರಭಾಕರ ಬರೆದಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಓದಬೇಕು, ಓದಿದರೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ತೊಂದರೆಗಳು ಗೊತ್ತಾಗುತ್ತೆ. nivella odi nodi.
 
ವಾಸು, ದಿವಂಗತ ಶ್ರೀ. ತೇಜಸ್ವಿ ಯವರು, ೨೦೦೪, ೨೦೦೫ ರಲ್ಲಿ , ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಬರೆದಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಓದಿದರೆ ಗೊತ್ತಾಗುತ್ತೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು. nivella odi nodi.
 
ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಬಗೆಹರಿದಿದ್ದರೆ, ಶ್ರೀ. ಪವನಜ, ಶ್ರೀ. ಇಸ್ಮಾಯಿಲ್, ಶ್ರೀ. ನಾರಾಯಣ , ಇವರೆಲ್ಲ ಪ್ರಜಾವಾಣಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ, ಆಗಸ್ಟ್ ೧ ೨೦೦೯, ಯಾಕೆ ಬರೆದರು ” ಕನ್ನಡವಾಗದ ಕಂಪ್ಯೂಟರ್ ಲೋಕ ” ಅಂತ [kannadavaagada computer loka.pdf (application/pdf) 395.00K] ? ಇವರೆಲ್ಲ ಏನು ಸುಳ್ಳು ಬರೆಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದರಾ? ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಗಳು ಇರುವುದರಿಂದ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಅಂತ ಗೊತ್ತಾಗುತ್ತೆ.
 
ಶ್ರೀ. ಪವನಜ , ಜುಲೈ ೨೦೦೪, ನಲ್ಲಿ, ಬರಹ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಆಕೃತಿ ಫಾಂಟ್ಸ್ ಇದೆ ಅಂತ. ವಾಸು ಯಾಕೆ ಇದುವರೆಗೆ ಅದಕ್ಕೆ ಉತ್ತರ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿಲ್ಲ? ವಾಸು ಸುಳ್ಳು ಕೋರ್ಟ್ ಕೇಸ್  ಹೇಳುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾನೆ ಅಂತಾನು ಬರೆದಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಪವನಜ. ವಾಸು ಯಾಕೆ ಇದೆಕ್ಕೆಲ್ಲ ಉತ್ತರ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿಲ್ಲ?

ವಾಸುಗೆ ೧೯೯೭ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಕದ್ದು  ಬರಹ ಮಾಡಿದಾಗ, ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ ಎಂದು ಗೊತ್ತಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಗೊತ್ತಾಗುತ್ತೆ.
ವಾಸುಗೆ ಜುಲೈ ೨೦೦೪ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಇಮೇಲ್ ಬರೆದಗಾನು ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ ಎಂದು ಗೊತ್ತಿರಿಲಿಲ್ಲ ಎಂದು ಗೊತ್ತಾಗುತ್ತೆ.
 
ವಾಸು ೨೦೦೪ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆ ಯವರಿಗೆ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ , ಮಾತಾಡಿದ್ದ. ವಾಸು ೨೦೦೪ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿರಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಯಾಕೆ ? ವಾಸುಗೆ ಗೊತ್ತಿದ್ದರೆ ತಾನೇ ಹೇಳುವುದಕ್ಕೆ?
 
WHY VASU is saying that he really did the BARAHA Fonts. He has written an email in 2004 telling that he stole the IPR of AKRUTHI Fonts in 1997 when releasing BARAHA 1.0. Hence BARAHA is IPR Stolen product. All further releases of BARAHA could not have been done without BARAHA 1.0.
 
Dr. U. B. PAVANAJA on Font Issues. Birth of BARAHA, FONTS USED in NUDI, VASU’s LIES, – odi nodi

VASU says he did copy this IPR for HAVYSAKKOSKARA. He should have kept it for himself. Not distributed to the whole world by creating a mess of KANNADA Software Development. This shows in his statements of June 2009 in TUMKURU.  VASU has allowed BARAHA to be copied into KHALITHA fonts by KGP/KAGAPA/Kannada Ganaka Parishat and rename it as NUDI Fonts and sold NUDI FONST to Govt. of Karnataka for about 35 Lakhs.
 
BARAHA and NUDI have DESTROYED the KANNADA SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT and INDUSTRY.
 
THIS SHOWS THE VASU’s INTELECTUAL CAPACITY.
Vasu himself has written in his email he did not know anything about KANNADA FONTS.
 
DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING like this “ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನ್ವಯಿಕ  ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ ಅಗತ್ಯ” TILL JUNE 2009. ?
 
VASU STOLE IPR in 1997 and VASU gave PRESS STAEMENTS in 2004.
 
VASU wrote email to Akruthi Fonts owner Mr. Anand in July 2004 that he copied GLYPHS from AKRUTHI Fonts when he released BARAHA 1.0. 
 
Without BARAHA 1.0, VASU could not have developed further releases of BARAHA Fonts.
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once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in Karnataka will be shut down.

INTERNAL EMAILS of KGP/KAGAPA

IN FIGHTING AMONG MEMBERS since 2002

PROBLEMS at KANNADA GANAKA PARISHAT “KGP/KAGAPA” since 2002

July 17th 2002 , 12:45 PM  to December 26, 2002 , 2:47 PM

Mr. Udaya Shankar Puranik email dated July 17th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated July  17th 2002

Spellchecker from Modularinfotech.com email dated July 13th 2002 to
Pandithardhya and Pavanaja

Prakash R email dated July 18th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 23rd 2002

Harsha Kodanad email dated December 2nd 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 01st 2002

Mr. S. K Anand of Cyberscapeindia email dated December 23rd 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 24th 2002

Mr. Yatheendranath T. J. email dated December 24th or 25th 2002 to
reply to Uday S Puranik, email dated December 24th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 26th 2002

Anand S.K email dated December 23rd 2002

Anand S. K. email dated December 26th 2002

WHAT the IT SECRETRAY VIVEK KULAKARNI told in 2001 and 2002

Some important information out of

INTERNAL EMAILS of KANNADA GANAKA PARISHAT

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>
To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Re: nudi lib problem
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:38 AM

> >From the statement of Pavanaja:
>
> ” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months
> ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told
> “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in
> Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to
> fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged
> support. You should have an office to answer telephone
> calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.
> When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support
> activities also.”.


Pavanaja Wrote:

Unfortunately, in every meeting this fact was accepted by
everyone but s/w development orders were undertaken
clandestainly by KGP without informing the executive committee
.

Some such examples –
1) Font conversion for Vijaya Karnataka
2) Payroll s/w for D.I.T., Govt of Karnataka. Mr Shrinatha
Shastry’s son is working with Mr Rajkrishna at DIT for this job.
3) Culture directory for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt of
Karnataka. A sample has been made.
4) Dasa Sahithya web-site for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt
of Karnataka. A sample web-site was made and shown to the
concerned authorities.

None of these were discussed in any of the meetings.

Pavanaja wrote:

In fact, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested me to release the source
code under GPL. He told me to do so about 8 months ago. When I
mentioned this to Mr Shrinatha Shastry, he stronlgy opposed it
and told me not to do so. He said he will talk to Mr Vivek
Kulkarni about it. I don’t know what happenned afterwards.
Probably if we had released it under GPL, someone might have
made a Linux version by this time. Many people from Linux
community regularly ask me the question “why the source code is
not available under GPL?”. We should release the source code
since this is Govt sponsored project and hence every citizen has
a right on that. If someone files a Public Intereset Litigation
in the courts, we will be bound to release the source code. It
is better to release the source code before someone forces us to
do so.

People involved at Kannada Ganaka parishat “KGP / KAGAPA”

Dr. Srinatha Sastry
Dr. Pandithaardhya
Mr. G. N. Narasimhamurthy
Mr. Prakash R
Mr. Yatheendranath
Mr. Udaya shankar Puranik
Mr. Harsha Kodanad

Following People were kickedout because of probelms in KGP

For raising issues against KGP-KAGAPA members

Srinatha Sastry, Panditharadhya and Narasimha Murthy


Dr. U. B. Pavanaja
Mr. Anand S. K

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote :

>namaskAra,

>

Has anyone replied to the following mail? If so, please send me a copy. If not, please decide who will reply to this mail and also to all such mails in future.

>

>sigONa,

>Pavanaja

>——- Forwarded message follows ——-

>To: pandita@eth.net, pavanaja@vishvakannada.com,

>gnnmurthy@indiatimes.com, ganakaparishat@ganakaparishat.org,

>ganaka@vishvakannada.com, ganakaparishat@email.com

From: spellchecker group <spellchecker@modular-infotech.com>

Subject: Regarding kannada KGP Keyboard & FontLayOut.

Send reply to: spellchecker@modular-infotech.com

Date sent: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:55 +0500

Pritiya Panditaradyaji & Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

I would like to introduce myself first, I Mr.Pandurang. A. Hosamani working as a senior software engineer in MODULAR INFOTCH LTD, Pune. Our company has been working for indian language solutions on computer from last 20 years. During this period we have developed many products including the famous SHREE-LIPI.

I would like to thank Mr. Panditaradyaji, Dr. U.B. Pavanaja for their kind help. For all my mails I have got quick & prompt reply from Mr. Panditaradyaji, thank you very much for that.

According to your KGP standards we are developing KGP Font Layout & Keyboard, but it seems we are having two versions of your documents.

I would like to know whether the documents sent by Mr. Panditaradyaji is latest & final(Especially for FontLayOut chart). Please let us know about the same. One more thing please send us the bilingual Fontlayout chart.

Once again thank you very much for your cooperation.

Prtiyinda,

P.A.HOSAMANI

Modular Infotech Pvt Ltd ,Pune

No 26,

Electronic Estate

Pune-Satara Road,

>——- End of forwarded message ———–

>——————————-

>Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

>Editor, Vishva Kannada

>World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

>http://www.vishvakannada.com/

_______________________________________________

From: uday S puranik <upuranik@rediffmail.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: Dr.U.B.Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>; <ganaka@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Regarding kannada KGP Keyboard & FontLayOut.

Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:45 PM

Hi

It was decided in the executive commitee meeting, that all such

mails will be and should be replied by the secretary of Kannada

Ganaka Parishat.

Hence you must be sending such mails to the mail id of the

secretary.

with regards

Udaya Shankar Puranik

From: Prakash <prakash@msrsas.org>

To: KGPExecMembers <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] who needs to answer

Date: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:04 AM

Dear Friends,

I strongly support Mr. Puraniks view and what was decided in our recent

meetings that the secretary of KGP must answer to all such queries to avoid

ambiguities. I feel other members can send their views to Secretary, KGP

who can make corrections before sending them. As the time has come to show

the strengths of KGP as an organization as felt my many members it is good

for all of us to stand behind our Secretary and pose one opinion as

standard. The other organizations who are interested in KGP activities

should get professional and unambiguous support.

Prakash R.

—– Original Message —–

From: “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja”

<pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <harsha@vishvakannada.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:02 PM

Subject: nudi lib problem

>Dear Harsha,

>

> I have figured out that there is some problem with the kannada-

> nudi.lib and kannada-nudi.dll regarding the calling conventions.

> Logo is working well with kalitha.lib and dll. If I change it to

> Nudi it is giving an error in OMF (Object Module Format). I have

> changed the reference properly. There is no prblem with that. I

> got it verified by one Borland C++ expert from HP.

>

> If you think that there is no error in the Nudi lib and dll,

> then pl send me one simple sample C++ program using Nudi dll and

> lib. I will try to compile by Borland C++ to verify. If you have

> changed the dll and lib recently while doing the “reverse” then

> send that version of dll and lib so that I can check whether

> that is working.

>

> Your immediate reply will be highly appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Pavanaja—————————————————–

> Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

> Editor, Vishva Kannada

> World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

> http://www.vishvakannada.com/

>

> Note: I don’t worry about pselling mixtake

—— Forwarded message follows ——-

From: “Harsha Kodnad” <kmharsha@hotmail.com>

To: “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja”

<pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: Re: nudi lib problem

Date sent: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:32:17 +0530

Sir,

I am sure and confident that there is no problem with kannada-nudi.lib and

kannada-nudi.dll. for defferent compilers and linkers you need to change the

defnitions of the functions and calling method in header file. which you have the

source and you can modify that also. And I am also very sure that you dont need

to change the calling convension since from the begining of KalithaI am using

thewindows standard calling convension ‘__stdcall’ and still it is same. so itmust

work.

Most of the standard libraries provided with companies wont work for different

compilers, As a programmer we need to do some R&D and do some changes in

our source code by which we can use the library. Anybody who has used

windows SDKs, Win32 APIs will be able to easily use my Nudi SDK. cause it

comes out with standard convensions.

I have installed windows ME on my machine yesterday I have some problem

in installing Boreland C++ today I will install it.onceI install everythingI will be

able to give you a nudi header file which is compatible with Boreland c++

compiler so that you can reduce some borden on the programmer.

As a nudi developer I can give you support for nudi as early as possible by me,

but I can’t teach anybody C, C++ or what ever, cause I am not a computer faculty

and also I am not paid for that.

So its not a Nudi lib problem its a programmer’s problem.

You know C, C++, VC++, Palm OS, Windows CE, Win32 Programming, You

are the Project Manager / Developer of Nudi, Palm Nudi, Nudi for Jornada, All

coding also done by you, and I am surprised that you cant solve a silli linking

problem!

Once I have installed Boreland C++, I will call you and tell you the instructions

to link kannada-nudi.lib. what are the canges need to be made in header files and

all those things.

Regards,

Harsha

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Re: nudi lib problem

Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:38 AM

To: The members of the Software Sub-committee, KGP.

cc: Executive Committee members, KGP.

As all of you are aware I am making a Kannada version of

the world-famous LOGO program, used to teach programming

concepts to school children. The program is written in

Borland C++ Version 5.02. 3 years ago, when I started it,

it was using Akruti fonts but no DLL. Later on it was

changed over to Kalitha font and Kaliha DLL. This

conversion was done by Harsha, who is the developer of

Kalitha and Nudi. Recently when I have appointed a

developer to complete the task. Now the DLL and LIB to be

used have become Nudi. When Kalitha was made, a DLL and LIB

files were given for programmers. LOGO is working with

these DLL and LIB to some extent. LOGO has two windows to

enter the text. In one window, the Kalitha DLL and LIB are

working. In another window Kalitha DLL and LIB are not

working.

When we tried to use the Nudi DLL and LIB, we get linking

errors. It says “Error in Object Module Format (OMF)”. The

header file given with Kalitha and Nudi are different. The

functions and their properties have changed. I informed the

problem to Harsha, the developer of Nudi. He told over

phone that the problem must be in linking. I tried again. I

even called one Borland C++ expert from HP and asked him to

look into. He said that the person who wrote the DLL and

LIB only can solve this problem. When I wrote a mail to

Harsha about this he replied arrogantly that he is not a

faculty to teach C++ programming. He could have tried

linking his DLL and LIB using Borland C++ and sent me a

sample as requested by me. The Nudi SDK contains only a VB

sample and no C++ sample. Now I have decided to finish the

LOGO project without explicitly making use of the SDK.

Instead I will give a LOGO package with all fonts being

changed to Nudi Akshsara. The user has to manually invoke

the Nudi keyboard driver before starting LOGO. This is how

people are using Nudi for DTP. I don’t have any other

option left.

Some contradictions in Harsha’s mail:

In one place he says “As a programmer we need to do some R&D and do some changes in our source code by which we can use the library”. In another place he says “Anybody who has used windows SDKs, Win32 APIs will be able to easily use my Nudi SDK. cause it comes out with standard convensions”.

Don’t you think these two are contradictory to each other? Why at all one should do R & D to use any library is that library is using standard conventions? Again he says “So its not a Nudi lib problem its a programmer’s problem”. But he has not substantiated his claim.

I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged support. You should have an office to answer telephone calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc. When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support activities also.”.

I am an executive committee member of KGP. I mentioned the problem on Dec.1. So far I did not get any sample file as promised. If an exec. commiitee member also can not get

support for a simple linking problem then I wonder what will be the status of 5 crore Kannadigas who will become dependent on KGP for Kannada s/w developments, mainly for the toolkit.

I don’t put all the blames on Harsha. He is working at Tally. He works mostly up to night 10-11 pm, almost daliy. He has no time to spare for KGP, inspite of a PC being

given to him and money being paid above and over the given PC. KGP should have someone work full-time for Nudi. I request the software sub-committee people to look into this serious problem. Please take remedial action before an outsider writes about these peoblems in newspapers.

What work Rajkrishna and Krishnamurthy are doing? Why are they being paid? As I understand, Nudi works is done by Harsha and Santhosh. Fonts are being made by someone from Koppa. Staroffice and Linux work is done by Ramsimha and his team. Then what are the roles assigned to Rajkrishna and Krishnamurthy? Why can’t they be trained and made in-charge for Nudi? So that we need not torture Harsha.

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaj

From: <anand_sk@vsnl.com>

  1. To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:51 PM

The KGP Executive Committee members,

I am quite pained to hear of the lack of support for the Nudi DLL’s that Pavanaja is facing. If a KGP exec committee member has to face this one can well imagine the plight of a common kannada software developer.

I think the main reason for this kind of problem is that the whole software development for Kalitha and Nudi started of in a hush hush manner and was intended to stab the back of those Independent Software Vendors(ISVs) who were working in this area including people like us who were used by M/s. Srinath Sastry and Narsimurthy to tap on us for any technical expertise, when they had no idea about the the technical issues regarding kannada keyboards and coding issues.

They got a part time developer like Harsha to reverse engineer the fonts and coding and the workings of software like Akruti (submitted to the KGP for evaluation). This is how painstaking work which took software vendors more than a decade to come to the current levels could be easily done within a year or so.

>From the statement of Pavanaja:

” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months

ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told

“once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in

Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to

fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged

support. You should have an office to answer telephone

calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.

When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support

activities also.”.

It becomes very clear that the plan to eliminate ISV’s was more than 15 months old. Some blame should also be placed at Pavanaja’s shoulder for having aided and abbetted Sastry and Narsimurthy in this murky business. After all it was he who introduced this very same Harsha to KGP.

Firstly, I think the only way of cleaning up this shady business is to open up the source code to the technically competent executive committee members of the KGP to start with so that support could be provided by them rather than some part time programmers who dance to the tune of a select few.

Later on in true open source methodology, the source may be put out in the public domain available to all Kannadigas.

Secondly, from various media releases we have seen a effort by prominent KGP office bearers belittling the motives of some of the ISV’s saying that they are interested in only money.

I would like to ask a simple question. Which of the members of KGP can purport to live without money. Let us accept that nothing is possible without a commercial interest. One cannot hope to live on government doles forever. Any project, no matter how noble it may be, including promotion of Kannada software will be sustainable in the long run only if it is self sustaining in economic terms.

Yes, we as ISV’s charge money for software, because to develop it, to sustain the development and support it continuously costs money and we have no govt. doles to rely upon.

Nudi’s development and release is not the end of the problem. People like me who have developed Akruti many many years ago are still grappling with the problem of supporting our users accross the length and breadth of the country adequately. So expecting a rag tag bunch of amateurs to do it effectively is asking for too much.

I hope the KGP executive committee members put their head to the long term issue and come out with right answers.

More dangerously, we as ISV’s were told that since there is no need for the basic font and interface software after NUDI, we were told to work on Kannda applications. Our company along with ISL came out with e-Karyalaya, a general administration software for govt. offices.

We find a repeat situation happening in the same hush hush and murky manner wherein after having been assured at committee meetings that KGP will not get into applications, we find that KGP employed people like Rajkrishna along with Srinath Sastry’s son are dabbling with DIT and KDA to come out with a reverse engineered software called e-Adalitha.

I would like Mr. Sastry to state the facts very clearly as to what his intentions and interests in this matter are. At least we as ISV’s are upfront in declaring our commercial interest. The worst people according to me are those who say someting in the front and do something else in the back.

If any of the KGP executive committee members or their family members or proxy organisations have any such hidden agendas, I think they should be bold enough to declare it openly and not pretend to be noble hypocrites.

With deep regret at the shameful going ons at KGP.

Anand S.K.

___________________________________________________

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:57 PM

namaskAra,

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:21 +0530 (IST)

> anand_sk@vsnl.com wrote

>

> I am quite pained to hear of the lack of support for the Nudi DLL’s

> that Pavanaja is facing. If a KGP exec committee member has to face

> this one can well imagine the plight of a common kannada software

> developer.

>

> I think the main reason for this kind of problem is that the whole

> software development for Kalitha and Nudi started of in a hush hush

> manner and was intended to stab the back of those Independent Software

> Vendors(ISVs) who were working in this area including people like us

> who were used by M/s. Srinath Sastry and Narsimurthy to tap on us for

> any technical expertise, when they had no idea about the the technical

> issues regarding kannada keyboards and coding issues.

>

> They got a part time developer like Harsha to reverse engineer the

> fonts and coding and the workings of software like Akruti (submitted

> to the KGP for evaluation). This is how painstaking work which took

> software vendors more than a decade to come to the current levels

> could be easily done within a year or so.

>

> >From the statement of Pavanaja:

>

> ” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months

> ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told

> “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in

> Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to

> fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged

> support. You should have an office to answer telephone

> calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.

> When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support

> activities also.”.

>

> It becomes very clear that the plan to eliminate ISV’s was more than

> 15 months old. Some blame should also be placed at Pavanaja’s shoulder

> for having aided and abbetted Sastry and Narsimurthy in this murky

> business. After all it was he who introduced this very same Harsha to

> KGP.

I did not introduce Harsha to KGP. He is a distant relative of

Mr Narasimhamurthy. One day, when I had gone to KGP, he was

introduced to me by Mr Narasimhamurthy and Mr Shrinatha Shastry.

I saw the work done by him on DOS regarding Kannada and took him

to Tally. At Tally, we had a plan of developing keyboard drivers

for Indian lanmguages, whih was later abondoned and the toolkits

were bought from CDAC.

I am not part of any murky business. The very first version of

Kalitha was made to test the compliance of other Kannada s/w to

the Govt notification mainly towards keyboard, font encoding and

sorting. When the demo was given, it was not in the form of a

package. After seeing the demo, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested to

make it into a package. He also suggested to make a roadmap of

the things to be done apart from this s/w. Then the roadmap was

prepared by Mr Shrinatha Shastry based on the skeleton provided

by me. I gave the plan with cost estimations. But almost all

amounts mentioned by me (based on the industry standard payments

for project manager and developer) were later on slashed to

almost 1/4 th of what I suggested. for ex., I had suggested

Rs.50,000 per font which was reduced to Rs.10,000 per font. Now

everyone knows what happenned to the fonts. There was even an

article in Prajavani’s letters to the editor column mentioning

about the unprofessional fonts supplied by KGP. I had suggested

two alternatives regarding fonts-

1) Buy some good quality fonts from existing vendors

2) Find out a good professioanl font developer of fonts and give

contract to him to make fonts. I had found out one such person

from Pune and requested him to give a good quote for a non-

profit organisation. He gave a quote of Rs.30,000 per font.

Myself and Harsha were strongly against releasing Kalitha without a professioanl font. But all these were thrown to wind and some un-professionals were assigned the task of making fonts.

I had suggested that KGP should have a list of empanelled s/w developers of Kannada which can be submitted to Govt. Govt can give orders to these developers for Kannada s/w developments. My philosophy is “live and let live”. But the philosophy now

followed by KGP is “live and let die”.

I am the person who had foreseen the situation regarding Kannada s/w developments. KGP can not supply s/w to entire Karnataka. Hence it should not venture into application developments. This task should be left to professional developers who will be able to offer professional support for the product and services they offer. Kannada s/w developmental opportunities start with the Govt. If these are fully grabbed by KGP, the Kannada s/w industry will die. Then there will be no industry left to supply Kannada s/w to entire Karnataka. Supplying Kannada s/w to entire Karnataka is definitely beyond the capabilities of KGP.

Unfortunately, in every meeting this fact was accepted by

everyone but s/w development orders were undertaken

clandestainly by KGP without informing the executive committee.

Some such examples –

1) Font conversion for Vijaya Karnataka

2) Payroll s/w for D.I.T., Govt of Karnataka. Mr Shrinatha

Shastry’s son is working with Mr Rajkrishna at DIT for this job.

3) Culture directory for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt of

Karnataka. A sample has been made.

4) Dasa Sahithya web-site for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt

of Karnataka. A sample web-site was made and shown to the

concerned authorities.

None of these were discussed in any of the meetings.

> Firstly, I think the only way of cleaning up this shady business is to open up the source code to the technically competent executive committee members of the KGP to start with so that support could be provided by them rather than some part time programmers who dance to the tune of a select few.

I agree. I am the initiator of Kalitha (which later became

Nudi). When I asked for the source code for the latest version

to try to make a Unicode version using .NET, I was not given the

source code. I could have helped in making a Unicode version as

I have developed an Opentype font which is needed for Unicode

version.

> Later on in true open source methodology, the source may be put out in

> the public domain available to all Kannadigas.

In fact, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested me to release the source code under GPL. He told me to do so about 8 months ago. When I mentioned this to Mr Shrinatha Shastry, he stronlgy opposed it and told me not to do so. He said he will talk to Mr Vivek Kulkarni about it. I don’t know what happenned afterwards. Probably if we had released it under GPL, someone might have made a Linux version by this time. Many people from Linux community regularly ask me the question “why the source code is not available under GPL?”. We should release the source code since this is Govt sponsored project and hence every citizen has a right on that. If someone files a Public Intereset Litigation in the courts, we will be bound to release the source code. It is better to release the source code before someone forces us to do so.

> Secondly, from various media releases we have seen a effort by

> prominent KGP office bearers belittling the motives of some of the

> ISV’s saying that they are interested in only money.

>

> I would like to ask a simple question. Which of the members of KGP can

> purport to live without money. Let us accept that nothing is possible

> without a commercial interest. One cannot hope to live on government

> doles forever. Any project, no matter how noble it may be, including

> promotion of Kannada software will be sustainable in the long run only

> if it is self sustaining in economic terms.

I agree.

> Yes, we as ISV’s charge money for software, because to develop it, to

> sustain the development and support it continuously costs money and we

> have no govt. doles to rely upon.

>

> Nudi’s development and release is not the end of the problem. People like me who have developed Akruti many many years ago are stillgrappling with the problem of supporting our users accross the lengthand breadth of the country adequately. So expecting a rag tag bunch ofamateurs to do it effectively is asking for too much.

>

> I hope the KGP executive committee members put their head to the long

> term issue and come out with right answers.

I agree.

> More dangerously, we as ISV’s were told that since there is no need

> for the basic font and interface software after NUDI, we were told towork on Kannda applications. Our company along with ISL came out with e-Karyalaya, a general administration software for govt. offices.

But then the Nudi SDK should not have any bugs and there should be technical support. I am finding problems here.

> We find a repeat situation happening in the same hush hush and murkymanner wherein after having been assured at committee meetings thatKGP will not get into applications, we find that KGP employed people like Rajkrishna along with Srinath Sastry’s son are dabbling with DITand KDA to come out with a reverse engineered software called

> e-Adalitha.

>

> I would like Mr. Sastry to state the facts very clearly as to what his intentions and interests in this matter are. At least we as ISV’s areupfront in declaring our commercial interest. The worst peopleaccording to me are those who say someting in the front and do

> something else in the back.

>

> If any of the KGP executive committee members or their family membersor proxy organisations have any such hidden agendas, I think theyshould be bold enough to declare it openly and not pretend to be noble

> hypocrites.

>

> With deep regret at the shameful going ons at KGP.

>

> Anand S.K.

I am surprised by the silence of other committee members. We need more committed members to the cause of Kannada than just committee members.

My words are always bitter. Because truth is always bitter. I believe in “vasthunistha” rather than “vyakthinistha”.

I request all the committee members to think beyond some individuals and look at the cause of Kannada.

Thanks for everyone for reading this lengthy mail.

sigONa,

Pavanaja

—————————————————–

Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

Editor, Vishva Kannada

World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don’t worry about pselling mixtakes

____________________________________________

—–Original Message—–

> From: Yatheendranath T J [mailto:yathi@adamya.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:50 PM

> To: KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

> namaskaara,

>

> I agree with Uday. We must not forget the basic objectives of KGP.

> I think some are peeved mixing up 2 issues –

> 1. The objectives of KGP

> 2. Commercial considerations due to KGP activity

> May be we need to address these issues separately.

>

> It is sad and unfair if the struggle and achievements made by the active KGP members are belittled. There could be disagreements on the way things are being done, but if the end result is doing good to the upliftment of kannaDa in any way, one should be happy and proud of being a part of it, in some way or the other.

> Best is to stop this chain of mails and fix a place and time for open discussion. So long as we don’t suspect the intentions and integrity of co-members, and if we are open to any decision the committee makes, we sure will be able to resolve all concerns amicably.

> I think, opening nuDi source code to public is a good proposition.

> We need to address IP and other related issues though.

> warm regards,

>

> yathi

Yatheendranath T J Tel: Co-Founder and COO

Off: +91 (80) 322-1780, 322-0594

Adamya Computing Technology (P) Cell: +91-98440-74381865/2,

Dr. Modi Hospital Road, Fax: +91 (80) 322-5071

Bangalore – 560 086, INDIA Web: http://www.adamya.com

================================================

uday S puranik wrote:

> Hi everybody

>

> I am surprised by the tone and tenor of the recent discussions.

>

> If the purpose of this forum is to indulge in mudslinging and

> character assasination, it does no good for the Ganaka parishat

> and I dont want to spoil my name and position in the industry by

> associating with this forum.

>

> The executive comittee members have a mind of thier own and need

> advice on what they should be doing or thinking about.

>

> Any problem can always be sorted out by discussion and that is if

> there is belief in cooperation and not confrontation.

>

> Hope we all can still work together and further the cause of the

> Ganaka Parishat.

>

> with regards

Udaya S Puranik

_______________________________________________

>

> hi,

>

> finally two sensible mails. one from mr. uday puranik and the other

> from mr. yatheendranath.

>

> it is indeed futile to indulge in character assassination and nothing

> will come out of it except a bitter and ugly feeling lingering within

> everyone, including the ones who wrote such mails. we must discuss

> these issues in a meeting when everyone concerned is present. there

> will always be disgreements no matter what path one takes. these

> issues must be ironed out amicably.

>

> regards to all.

>

> -vidyadhar mudkavi

> dec 26, 2002

From: <anand_sk@vsnl.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Meeting to sort out issues

Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:47 PM

Dear KGP Exec committee members,

I think the suggestion to hold a face to face meeting to sort out the issues aired earlier is fine, can the date and time be worked out and informed well in advance.

Most active groups like the open source forums have very lively discussions online. These are precursors to the actual face to face meetings. I think it may be a healthy practice to follow, since most of the participants would already have done their homework on the issues to be discussed. The reasons for this is everybody’s time is precious and physical meetings entails a lot of time and effort and it should be used in the final stages for conclusive action plans and not for debating.

Online discussions are far better suited for airing out contrary and dissenting views, which can be resolved to a large extent by online debate. This is a very efficient means to arrive at consensus which can be ratified at physical meetings. I disagree that these are chain mails. The first motive should be exchange of views and to step up the level of involvement of the normally dormant members. In fact I find a very disturbing silence on part of the key functionaries of the KGP and complete lack of participation.

In fact though we call ourselves Ganaka Parishat, there is hardly any usage of this wonderful electronic medium for interaction as has been pointed out earlier by Pavanaja. The advantages are besides encouraging transparency it is self documenting and if there is a fear that they may degenerate to mudslinging then the very fact that everything a person says or reacts to is being recorded is enough reason for the medium to be self policing. It is very much like putting our venerable MLA’s and MP’s on camera. Let the people at large judge the quality of the debate and not some interested censors or editors. That is if we have nothing to fear in being forthright and we have the will to swallow bitter truth.

So much so that most of our KGP business could be conducted on email or better still on live online discussion forms to save time and physical inconvenience and beat the distance barrier.

Hope to hear from more of you soon. With regards.

Anand S.K.

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Chief Minister makes a telling case for English – ‘I AM UNSURE OF USAGE’

‘I AM UNSURE OF USAGE’
Chief Minister makes a telling case for English
 
DH News Service Hassan:
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct182006/state18401620061017.asp

As confessions of this sort go, you won’t get a more disarming one.

“Even though I know English, I am still unsure of the correct usage of grammar”, says Chief Minister H D Kumara-swamy.

He then goes on to deliver the sucker punch, the one that should hit opponents of English smack in the eye: “if this is the case of a person in a responsible position, imagine the lot of a poor farmer’s son?”

 

The CM’s ‘admission’ came during a chat with reporters here, in reaction to the opposition to introduction of English as a compulsory subject from Class 1 in all schools.

“Though I am a graduate, I’ve problems speaking English. I don’t want the children of poor parents to have such problems,” he explained.

He was obviously driving home the point that introduction of English as a compulsory subject is no more a negotiable issue. And he wanted litterateurs and experts to desist from “giving statements from Bangalore, without taking stock of the situation at the grassroot level”.

English has become a ‘necessity’ at the global level. Not learning it deprives children of many opportunities, he said.

Why should Kannada language and culture be reserved only for the villagers, he asked. According to the Constitution, all people are eligible to learn any language.

It is the duty of the government to safeguard the interests of all people, Kumaraswamy pointed out and added that teachers would be appointed during the next academic year itself so that learning English no longer poses a problem.

October 18, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | Leave a comment

English norm: Congress thumbs up for govt move

English norm: Congress thumbs up for govt move
 
DH News Service Bangalore:

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct172006/state22243220061016.asp

In firm support for making English a compulsory language of study in all Kannada medium primary schools in the State, a group of six Opposition Congress leaders, led by MLC Prof B K Chandrashekar, have noted that English should be compulsorily taught in all schools just as Kannada is taught in all the non-Kannada medium schools.

The State government’s decision in this regard is in no way anti-Kannada, they have said and appealed to the Government to stand its ground, no matter the opposition expressed by some sections.

The other Congress leaders in the group are legislators Dr G Parameshwar, Kumar Bangarappa, A B Patil, M B Patil and Parameshwar Nayak

Referring to what science says on the acquisition of language skills by children and what the courts and some prominent personalities have opined on the issue, these Congress leaders have noted that providing the students the opportunity to study English in one form or the other is a question of social justice.

Referring to renowned language scientist David Crystal’s observation that a population should be exposed to a host of languages and that mono-linguistic days are past, these legislators have pressed for a beginning to be made and ensure that the students in rural areas and those from the weaker sections are not deprived of an opportunity any longer. Towards that end, they have suggested the following measures:

*Introductory English teaching need not go into detailed grammar.

* Text books too can be done away with for the first three years.

* There need be no student assessment tests also.

The Congress leaders have also dismissed the argument of a section of litterateurs that introducing English from Class I will work to the detriment of Kannada. Language scientists opine and well documented research say that three to six years is the age group when the language acquisition skills are pronounced and that the said skills decrease seven year onwards, they have observed. In a brief press statement these Congressmen have pointed out that the High Court is seized of a case where English medium schools and other minority educational institutions have pointed out that parents and their children have the right to choose the medium of study.

They have noted that prominent personalities like former chief justice M N Venakatachalaiah and litterateurs Chandrashekar Kambar and Baraguru Ramachandrappa are on record in their opinion that students’ interest will be better served by learning English at the earliest.

October 17, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | Leave a comment

English from Std I in Kannada schools

English from Std I in Kannada schools

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/oct82006/index2043202006107.asp

 
DH News Service Bangalore:
Teaching of English as a subject has been made mandatory from Class I in all Kannada medium schools. While all English medium schools will be required to teach Kannada as a compulsory subject from Class I, in linguistic minorities’ schools Kannada will be a compulsory subject from Class III.
 

Come June 2007 and all primary schools affiliated to the State authorities, will have to follow the ‘Tribhasha Sutra’ (three-language formula).

The Cabinet on Saturday approved the three-pronged policy. Teaching of English as a subject has been made mandatory from Class I in all Kannada medium schools. While all English medium schools will be required to teach Kannada as a compulsory subject from Class I, in linguistic minorities’ schools Kannada will be a compulsory subject from Class III.

Kannada was an optional subject for Class III in linguistic minorities’ schools till now.

Speaking to reporters here, Primary and Secondary Education Minister Basavaraj Horatti said all government and private primary schools would follow the three-language policy from the next academic year.

Clarifying the government’s stand on the derecognition of erring Kannada medium schools which were caught teaching in English, he said: “The block education officers and deputy directors of public instruction (DDPIs) have been instructed to inquire and report before November 30 about the involvement of any officer in flouting the Kannada policy in these schools.”

Tenure extended

The Cabinet has decided to extend the tenure of Syed Jamaal, special officer, Common Entrance Test.

Mr Jamaal will continue in the post till December 31, 2007.

Tribhasha sutra

Compulsory English from Std I in Kannada medium schools

Compulsory Kannada from Std I in English medium schools

Compulsory Kannada from Std III in linguistic minorities’ schools

October 8, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | Leave a comment

Kumaraswamy’s pro-Kannada moves

Kumaraswamy’s pro-Kannada moves
Monday, September 25, 2006 11:02:13 am

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A special session of the Karnataka legislative assembly will begin in Belgaum today and at the session Karnataka Chief Minister Kumaraswamy is expected to push his pro-Kannada stand further in the matter of Kannada being the medium of instruction in primary schools.

Karnataka Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy, in the centre of the controversy over his government’s decision to push Kannada as the medium of instruction at the cost of forcing the closure of over 1400 schools.

Earlier the Chief Minister as a fitting inheritor of the son of the soil legacy of his father former Prime Minister HD Deve Gowda has shown that he would go to extreme lengths to boost the status of Karnataka and even resorting to negative remarks on neighbouring states.

“While Chennai is prone to Tsunamis and LTTE worries, Andhra Pradesh has Naxalite and infrastructure problem,” said Karnataka Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy.

And a master stroke — the decision to move all Karnataka MLAs and MLCs to Belgaum for a five-day assembly session, the first time it’s being held out of Bangalore’s Vidhan Soudha. The move comes as nothing short of Karnataka’s proclamation to neighbouring Maharashtra and the Centre, that it will not allow its territorial integrity to be breached.

“The Belgaum session will send out the message loud and clear that Karnataka’s border will not be allowed to be used by politicians of neighbouring states to achieve their personal ends,” said Kumaraswamy.

Whether it is turning the BMIC project controversy from being one allegedly involving personal interests, to an issue of protecting farmer’s interests. Kumaraswamy has always played the Kannada card to perfection. And Monday’s rally will undoubtedly be another perfect example.

September 25, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | Leave a comment

Does KGP/KAGAPA and BARAHA has ANNUAL TURN OVER of 25 LAKHS ?

How GoK E GOVERNANCE SECRETARIAT is messing up Kannada Software Development !!!

Do we have KANNADA SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS who has ANNUAL TURNOVER of 25 LAKHS  {only in KANNADA}

All this is due to BARAHA and NUDI fonts. 

GOVERNMENT OF KARNATAKA

No.DPAR 74  EGV 2005                                           

Karnataka Government Secretariat, 

 e-Governance, DPAR(AR), M.S. Building,

Bangalore, dated 11th Sept. 2006

 

SHORT NOTIFICATION FOR EMPANELMENT OF VENDORS IN

E GOVERNANCE SECRETARIAT                                                         

            Applications are invited from the eligible vendors for empanelling in e-Governance Secretariat for the following categories:

Computer Systems, Computer Peripherals and Network Components, Networking, Kannada Software and Services, Software Vendors, Software Developers- Minor Projects, Web Designing, Training (Basic), Data Entry, Maintenance of Computers, UPS, Maintenance of UPS and Computer Consumables etc.

 The pre-qualifications, terms & conditions and application forms may be downloaded from web page “http://www.karnataka.gov.in/empanelment.html “.  The filled in application form along with necessary documents may be submitted to e-Governance Secretariat, DPAR (AR), Room No. 145A, 1st Gate, 1st floor, M.S. Building, Bangalore-560001 on or before 13th October 2006 3.00 PM.

 

            This notification is available on Government website www.karnataka.gov.in

Sd/-

(G Sathyavathi)

Joint Secretary to Government

 e-Governance, DPAR (AR)

________

 

www.karnataka.gov.in/empanelment.html  

 

_________

CRITERIA FOR EMPANELMENT

Note :

1.     The empanelment of vendors under various categories does not mean guarantee for Government enquires/ orders.

2.     Government would add or delete any categories at any point of time as per requirement of end user department.

General Conditions for Empanelment:

1.  Application fee of Rs.1000/-(non-refundable) in the form of demand draft is to be enclosed alongwith each category of Application.

2.  The Company should produce an affidavit on stamp paper stating that the company is not blacklisted by State / Central Government departments or organizations. The affidavit should be enclosed along with the application form.

3.   Audited balance sheet statements and Income Tax returns of the company for the last three years should be enclosed along with the application.

4.  Certificate of Incorporation /established certificate of the company should be enclosed along with the application.

5.  Auditor’s certificate regarding Company’s last 3 years turnover along with turnover for the category for which applied must be furnished.


I. Computer Systems: (Intel/AMD)

Personnel Computer

Laptop

Servers

1.        The Company should be a Original Equipment Manufacturers engaged in manufacturing and marketing computers with an annual Turnover of Rs. 100 crores or more in computer Hardware manufacturing and sales for each of last 3 years.

2.        The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 10 service engineers and 4 service centers of their own across Karnataka state with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center. Further the vender should have at least 15 authorised service centers with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center in Karnataka with an arrangement of one centre covering at most two neighboring districts.

3.        The Company Should provide evidence of having rendered good service in the past three years to the customers in State or Central Government departments or organizations having turnover more than Rs. 100 crores. The Computer Maintenance details under taken by the company should be specified.

4.      The Company should have inventory spare parts worth Rs.25 lakhs at Bangalore service Center and Rs.10 lakhs each of their own service centers.

 

5.      The Company should have the following test certifications / Compliance reports from the competent authorities (Copies should be enclosed).

ISO 9001:2000  &  14001

Microsoft WLP 2.0

DMI 2.0

MPR II

Energy Star Compliance

ACPI Compliant

Windows, Linux ready certification

6.      The Public Sector Undertakings who have established line of business at least 2 years in supplying the computer systems and/or authorised partner of any of the empanelled vendor shall also be eligible for this category. However, in case of supply of computer systems by the PSUs, adhering to the schedule of supply and installation will lay with the OEM whose materials being supplied. In addition, responsibility of warranty maintenance also with OEM whose system being supplied. A letter to this effects from the OEM whose system being supplied is to be included by the PSUs that seeking empanelment.

SCOPE   OF EMPANELMENT:

1.The Company empanelled under this category can supply and install computer systems, and supply add-on products such as Memory, Hard disk, software upgrades   and other computer related items. The company shall also maintain all the computers and peripherals.

2. After sales service would be the responsibility of the empanelled vendor either directly or thru’ their authorised service centers.

3.The empanelled company can quote for products manufactured by them or can quote for the products of those MNCs OEMs, who are themselves empanelled with e-Governance Secretariat, provided they should also be authorised dealers for those MNCs OEMs before they are eligible to quote for such MNC’s products.

II. COMPUTER PERIPHERALS AND NETWORK COMPONENTS:

              Printers-    DMP, Line Matrix, Laser, Inkjet

Scanner Switch/Router/Hub/Wireless Access point/Network components Thin client

     Information Kiosks

1. The Company should be Original Equipment Manufacturer.

2.        The Company’s annual turnover in peripheral and networking components should be more than Rs.10 crores for each of the last 3 years.

3.        The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 5 service engineers and at least 2 service center in each revenue division across Karnataka state with minimum of 1 service engineers in each service center.

4.       The Company should have inventory spare parts worth of Rs.5 lakhs at Bangalore and

      Rs.1 lakh at other service centers.

 

 SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT:

The empanelled company can quote for products manufactured by them or can quote for the products of those MNCs OEMs, who are themselves empanelled with e-Governance Secretariat, provided they should also be authorised dealers for those MNCs OEMs before they are eligible to quote for such MNC’s products.

III. COMPUTER PERIPHERALS (Others):

                                Biometrics / Fingerprint/ /Smart card Devices

Projector

Passbook printer

1.       The Company should be Original Equipment Manufacturer or authorised dealer for reputed Company. The reputed company’s annual turnover in peripherals should be more than Rs.10 crores (A documentary proof should be provided). The Dealership should exist for the last 2 Years.

2.       The Company’s annual turnover in peripheral and networking components sales should be more than Rs.1 crore for each of the last 3 years.

3.       The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 5 service engineers and at least 2 service center in each revenue division across Karnataka state with minimum of 1 service engineers in each service center.

4.        The Company should specify the details of Brand and Make of computer peripheral for which they have applied for empanelment. Technical Advisory Panel’s approval is necessary for any additional brand and make.

5.       The Company should have inventory spare parts worth of Rs.5 lakhs at Bangalore and   Rs.1 lakh at other service centers.

 

 SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT:

The empanelled company can quote for products manufactured by them or can quote for the products of those MNCs OEMs, who are themselves empanelled with e-Governance Secretariat, provided they should also be authorised dealers for those MNCs OEMs before they are eligible to quote for such MNC’s products.

Note: The sub-committee is authorized to add new items in this category depending upon the  need of the departments.


IV.
COMPUTER NETWORKING

1.   Supply, installation and integrations of networking components (Network components should be of that OEM who is empanelled. The company should have direct authorisation from the OEMs for selling/supplying specific components of network.)

 2.  Laying of cables (Cable shall be of standard company)

a.  Minor: (Where requirement is less than 50 nodes)

1.  The Company should be networking integrators.

2.  The Company should have implemented at least 10-network project each of 10 nodes or more for each of last 3 Years.

3.  The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 10 service engineers and 4 service centers of their own across Karnataka state with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center. Further the vender should have at least 15 authorised service centers with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center in Karnataka with an arrangement of one centre covering at most two neighboring districts.

4.   The company should provide evidence for having rendered good networking service to the State/ central government departments.

5.   The Company should have test certification from competent authorities (Copies to be enclosed).

6.   The Company annual turnover in Networking should be more than Rs.2 crores for each of the last 3 years.

b.  Major : (Where requirement is more than 50 nodes)

1.      The Company should be Networking Integrators.

2.        The Company should have implemented at least 10 network projects each of 50 nodes or more  in each of last 3 years.

3.        The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at  least 10 service engineers and 4 service centers of their own across Karnataka state with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center. Further the vender should have at least 15 authorised service centers in Karnataka with an arrangement of one centre covering at most two neighboring districts.

4.        The Company should provide evidence for having rendered good service departments of state / Central Government.

5.  The Company should have test certification from the competent authorities (Copies to be enclosed).

6.         The Company’s annual Turnover in Networking should be more than Rs.10 crores for each of the last 3 years.

 SCOPE   OF EMPANELMENT:

1.  The Company will be responsible for Implementing, Configuration and Maintenance of LAN (Local Area Network). The Company cannot sub-contract the work except the labor component.

2.   The Company approved under minor category can take up projects up to 50 nodes only.  The Vendors approved under major category can take up projects more than 50 nodes.

  1. The empanelled company can quote for products manufactured by them or can quote for the products of those MNCs OEMs, who are themselves empanelled with e-Governance Secretariat.  Further they should also be authorised dealers for those MNCs OEMs before they are eligible to quote for such MNC’s products.

V. Kannada Software and Services 

                                                                              

 1. Kannada software should confirm to the guidelines issued in G.O. No. ITD 6 NJV  2000  dated 1-11-2000   issued by Government of Karnataka.

 2. The Kannada software developed should work under Windows, Unix, Linux and Macintosh platforms.

3.  The Kannada software developed should have a provision to add Kannada fonts to the community of English fonts in windows.

4. The Kannada software developed should  ;

a)        Provide facility to use the package  both in  English and in Kannada languages

b)        Provide facility to use Kannada fonts in the application software like               Ms-access, Visual Basic, Oracle etc.

c)        Provide Indexing and Sorting facility as per Kannada alphabets(CPÁgÁAvÀ)

d)       Provide import/export facility.

e)       Provide facility to send Kannada data through LAN, WAN, NICNET and INTERNET

f)     Provide Kannada e-mail facility

g)       Provide Government approved Keyboard layout

h)       Provide facility to save the file in the HTML, RTF and TXT formats

i)         Provide multimedia facility        

5)  The Company’s annual Turnover in Kannada software development should be Rs.25 lakhs or more for each of the last 3 years.

6)   The Company should be original software developers or authorised dealer. The Dealership should be exist for the last 2 Years.

7)  The Company should have at least 5 software engineers

SCOPE  OF EMPANELMENT;

The software developed has to be in accordance with the Government Order issued in this regard

VI. SOFTWARE VENDORS (Off the shelf products).

These shall be for each of the following categories:

    1. Microsoft product
    2. Oracle product
    3. Antivirus software
    4. Linux product

1.        The Company should be original software developers or authorised dealer. The Dealership should be exist for the last 2 Years.

2.        The Company Should provide evidence for having rendered good service and support to the customers in State or Central Government Departments or organizations to whom they have supplied the software.

3.        The Company should specify the details / specifications of the Software proposed for empanelment

4.        The Company’s annual turnover in Software sales should be more than Rs.2 crores for each of the last 3 years.

 

SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT:

The empanelled company can quote for products, upgrades and support manufactured by them or for which they authorised dealer.

VII. SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS –  Minor Project:

(A project is considered to be minor if the man-months required to develop the project is  below 10 man-months.)

             The empanelment shall be for two environments viz.

Microsoft environment

Linux environment

1.        The Company ‘s annual Turn over in Software development should be Rs.5 Crores or more for each of the last 3 years.

2.       The Company should have done at least two projects of 8 man months each and the cost of each project should be more than Rs 25 lakhs.

3.        The Company should have taken up successful projects for the State or Central Govt. Departments / Undertakings / or Nationalised banks.

4.        The Company should have minimum 20 qualified Software Engineers on roll.

5.   The Company should have prepared at least 5 SRS reports for the customers whose annual turn over is more than Rs.25 Crores.

6.       The Company should include details of standard design and develop process followed along with tools used.

  SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

The Company, which is empanelled, will have to develop the software in accordance with the SRS report approved by the Department. The company must also have expertise in using Software tools for documentation and will be responsible for implementation and training on the software. They can also take up preparations of SRS reports for the departments.

 

VIII. WEB DESIGNING

                  The empanelment shall be for two environments viz.

Microsoft environment

Linux environment

1.        The Company’s turnover in Web Designing should be over Rs.50 lakhs for each of the last 3 years.

2.     The Company should include details of standard design and develop process followed along with tools used.

3.     Sample portals of the Web Design developed by the company are to be attached along with the application.

4.       Details of web sites designed along contact details of customer must be included.

5.      The Company should have designed and hosted at least 10 major Websites.

 SCOPE   OF EMPANELMENT

The company, which is empanelled, should develop, implement, maintain the Web site along with imparting training to the customers.

IX.  TRAINING (Basic):  For State Level:

1.        The Company’s Turnover in Training should be over Rs.25 lakhs for each of the last 3 years.

2.       The Company should have conducted at least two long term courses (each course of 150 hours or more) and Six short term courses (each course more than 30 hours) in the area of either (a) Computer usage (b) MS Office or equivalent product and (c) mail and Internet usage.

3.       The Company should be ISO 9001 certified. Certification by DOECC or similar agencies such as NBA, AICTE, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun etc.  is desirable. If the Company is not certified as on the date of submitting of the application for empanelment, it has to produce ISO-9001 certificate on or before 31-03-2007.

4.     The Company should have Conducted Corporate Training Programs of more than one-month duration for at least two major clients whose turnover is more than Rs.20 crores.

5.        The Company should have trained more than 600 students per year for each of the last 3 years

6.      The Company’s training assets such as computers, printers, UPS etc. should be more than Rs.10 lakhs.

7.        The Company should specify the details of various types of training conducted during last three years along with the training statistics

8.       The Company should have at least one well furnished training center in each districts of Karnataka state with minimum of 1 server, 10 Desktops, 2 printers, 1 projector, 5 KVA UPS, Internet Connectivity and 2 class rooms with 15 sitting capacity.

9.       The Company should have qualified teaching staff and training assistants. (List to be enclosed).

10.    The Company should own the required legal software for various trainings. (List to be enclosed)

11.  They should have developed training material (Theory & hands on) and should also have a computerized examination package for evaluation the performance.

 SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

 The Company will be able to impart basic training in accordance with the requirement of the department, in Software utilities. The Company, which is empanelled, should not sub-contract the assigned training activity.

 X – TRAINING (Basic): District-Level

1. The Company’s Turnover in Training should be over Rs.20 lakhs for Bangalore Rural  &

Urban district and Rs 5 lakhs or more for one District other than Bangalore Rural & Urban district for each of the last 3 years.

a.       For additional Districts empanelment, the turnover in Training should be additional Rs. 3 lakhs for each district except Bangalore Rural & Urban district.

b.      For additional Bangalore Rural & Urban district, the turnover in training should be additional Rs.15 lakhs.

c.       The Company can have empanelment for maximum of 5 Districts. 

2.  The Company should have conducted at least two long term courses ( each course of 150 hours or more) and Six short term courses( each course more than 30 hours) in the area of either (a) Computer usage (b) MS Office or equivalent product and (c) mail and  Internet usage.

3.  Certification by DOECC or similar agencies such as NBA, AICTE, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun etc.  is desirable.

4.   The Company should have Conducted Corporate Training Programs of more than one month duration for at least two major clients whose turnover is more than Rs.10 crore.

5.   The Company should have trained more than 300 students per year in case of Bangalore Rural & Urban district and 100 students per year for other districts in each of  the last  3 years

5.       The Company’s training assets such as computers, printers, UPS etc. should be more than Rs.1 lakh.

6.      The Company should specify the details of various types of training conducted during last three years along with training statistics

7.       The Company should have at least one well furnished training center in the district for which applied for empanelment with minimum of 1 server, 10 Desktops, 2 printers, 1 projector, 5 KVA UPS, Internet Connectivity and 1 class room with 15 sitting capacity.

8.       The Company should have qualified teaching staff and training assistants. (List to be enclosed).

9.        The Company should own the required legal software for various trainings. (List to be enclosed)

10.   They should have developed training material (Theory & hands on) and should also have a computerized examination package for evaluation the performance.

 SCOPE   OF EMPANELMENT

 The Company will be able to impart basic training in accordance with the requirement of the department, in Software utilities. The Company, which is empanelled, should not sub-contract the assigned training activity.

 XI. DATA ENTRY & PRINTING SERVICES:  FOR STATE LEVEL

 

  1. The Turnover of the company in Data entry should be Rs.50 lakhs or more for the last 3 years.
  2. The Company should have under taken the order of at least 5 major data entry and /or printing jobs each worth of Rs. 5 lakhs for each of the last 3 Years.
  3. In case of Data Entry in English or Kannada, the minimum number of key depressions per hour per operator should not be less than 6000. In the case of Scanning with OCR, the number of characters generated per hour per scanner should not be less than 1.8 lakhs characters. In case of Voice recognition system the number of characters generated per machine per hour should not be less than 36000 character in English and 20000 characters in case of Kannada language.  In case of printing, more than 10 lakhs number of pages printed for each of the last 3 Years.
  4. The Company should specify the details of Data entry Operators regarding qualification, experience in data entry, certification obtained, number of years of service in the present company.
  5. The Company will not be permitted to Sub Contract the assigned work under this category.
  6. The Company should specify the details and description of data entry & printing jobs undertaken with Client name and value of the project.
  7. The Company should have Data entry & printing assets such as computers, printers, UPS, Scanners etc. of Rs.15 lakhs.
  8. The Company should have minimum of 20 Data entry Operators on roll.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
  9. The details of infrastructure for data entry & printing, available in the company should be specified.
  10. The Company should own the required legal software for Data entry & printing (List to be enclosed).

SCOPE   OF EMPANELMENT

The Company will be responsible for data capture and / or printing and the final reports as desired by the Department. The company may also take up only printing jobs. He can also supply Data Entry Operators on retain ship basis to the Departments.

XII DATA ENTRY & PRINTING SERVICES: – DISTRICT WISE

1.    The Turnover of the company in Data entry should be Rs.15 lakhs for Bangalore        Rural and Urban district and 3 lakhs for one District other than Bangalore Rural &   Urban district  for the last 3 years.

a.  For additional Districts empanelment the turnover in Data entry should be additional Rs.3  lakhs except Bangalore Rural & Urban districts.

b.  For additional Bangalore Rural & Urban district, the turnover in data entry should be additional Rs.15 lakhs.

      c. The Company can have maximum of 5 Districts empanelment.

2.          The Company should have under taken at least 3 major data entry job order each   worth of Rs 20,000 for each of the last 3 years.

3.          In case of Data Entry in English or Kannada, the minimum number of key depressions per hour per operator should not be less than 6000. In the case of Scanning with OCR, the number of characters generated per hour per scanner should not be less than 1.8lakhs characters. In case of Voice recognition system the number of characters generated per machine per hour should not be less than 36000 character in English and 20000 characters in case of Kannada language.  In case of printing, more than 2 lakhs number of pages printed for each of the last 3 Years.

  4.       The Company should specify the details of Data entry Operators regarding qualification, experience in data entry, certification obtained, number of years of service in the present company.

    5.      The Company will not be permitted to Sub Contract the assigned work under this category.

 

  1. The Company should specify the details and description of data entry jobs undertaken.
  2. The Company should have assets such as computers, printers, UPS, scanner etc of Rs. 1 lakhs.
  3. The Company should have minimum of 5 Data entry Operators on roll except Bangalore Rural & urban districts. For Bangalore Rural & Urban districts minimum of 20 Data Entry Operators.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
  4. The details of infrastructure for data entry, available in the company should be specified.

  1. The Company should own the required legal software ( List to be enclosed).

SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

The Company will be responsible for data capture and / or printing of checklist and the final reports as desired by the Department. The company may also take up only printing jobs. He can also supply Data Entry Operators on retain ship basis to the Departments.

XIII     Maintenance of Computers & Peripherals – District wise:

1.  The Company’s Turnover in computer maintenance should be over Rs.50 lakhs for   Bangalore Rural  & Urban district and Rs 5 lakhs or more for one District other than Bangalore Rural &   Urban district for each of the last 3 years.

a.       For additional Districts empanelment, the turnover in computer maintenance should be additional Rs. 3 lakhs for each district except Bangalore Rural & Urban district.

b.      For additional Bangalore Rural & Urban district, the turnover in computer maintenance should be additional Rs.50 lakhs.

c.       For the district applied, there should be a running service center.

2.  The Company should have maintained not less than 300 Computer systems and peripherals in Bangalore Rural & Urban districts or not less than 50 Computer systems and peripherals in other districts for the last 3 years, for any of the following;

(a) State, Central, Public Sector Undertaking

             (b) Nationalized banks

(c) Reputed private company whose annual Turnover is more than Rs.5 crores

3.   The Company should have to provide evidence for having rendered good service in the last three years to be customers of State, Central Government Departments or Organizations

4. The Company should specify the details of technical staff engaged in the maintenance of computers peripherals.

5.   The Company should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 10 service engineers and minimum of 2 service engineers in other service center.

6.   The company should have experience in handling multiple brands of computers.

7.        The company should have inventory spare parts worth Rs.10 lakhs at Bangalore and  Rs.1 lakh at other service center.

SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

The Vendor will be responsible for maintenance of the computer systems, printers and connected peripherals of the computer systems. The maintenance will be comprehensive in nature except for the printer head of the DMP, plastic parts of the system, which are treated as consumables. The Companies, which are empanelled under the Hardware category, are automatically empanelled to the computer Maintenance Category, unless not interested.

XIV     UNINTREPTED POWER SUPPLY[UPS]  & VOLTAGE STABILIZER

UPS (Online/ Offline)

Voltage Stabilizer

1. The Company should be Original Equipment Manufacturer or authorised dealer for reputed Company. The reputed company’s annual turnover in UPS & Voltage Stabilizer should be more than Rs.10 crores (A documentary proof should be provided). The Dealership should exist for the last 2 Years. However, in case of supply of UPS by the authorized dealer, adhering to the schedule of supply and installation will lay with the OEM whose materials being supplied. In addition, responsibility of warranty maintenance also with OEM whose system being supplied. Letters to this effect from the OEM whose system being supplied is to be included by the authorized dealer that seeking empanelment.

2.  The Company turnover of UPS & Voltage Stabilizer should be more than Rs.10 crores.

3.  The Company should provide evidence of having rendered good service in the last three years to the customers in State or Central Government departments or organizations to whom they have supplied the UPS and Stabilizers.

4.  The Company should be ISO 9001:2000 & 14001 certified.

5.       The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 10 service engineers and 4 service centers of their own across Karnataka state with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center. Further the vender should have at least 15 authorised service centers with minimum of 2 service engineers in each service center in Karnataka with an arrangement of one centre covering at most two neighboring districts.

6.       The company should have inventory spare parts worth Rs. 5 lakhs at Bangalore service center and Rs 1 lakh in other service center.

  SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

1.       The Company, which is empanelled under this category, will be responsible for supply, installation and maintenance of UPS, including the batteries during the warranty period.

2.      After sales service would be the responsibility of the empanelled vendor either directly or thru’ their authorised service centers.


XV  MAINTENANCE OF UNINTREPTED POWER SUPPLY [UPS] & VS –District-wise

1.  The Company should be Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) or Authorised dealers for at least one brand. The Dealership should exist for the last 2 Years.

    2.  Turnover:

a.       For Bangalore Rural & Urban districts: The Company’s Turnover in UPS maintenance should be over Rs.50 lakhs for each of the last 3 years.

b.       For other Districts: The Company’s Turnover in UPS sales & maintenance should be over Rs.1 lakhs for each districts for the last 3 years.

    3. The Company should provide evidence of having rendered good service in the last three years to the customers in State or Central Government departments or organizations to whom they have supplied the UPS and Stabilizers.

    4. The Company Should have a good service and technical support center in Bangalore with at least 10 service engineers and  2 service engineers in each service center for       other districts.

    5.  The company should have experience in handling multiple brands of UPS.

    6.  For the district applied, there should be a running service center.

 7.  The company should have inventory spare parts worth Rs. 5 lakhs at Bangalore service center and Rs 25000/- in other service center.

  SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT

The Company, which is empanelled under this category, will be responsible for installation and maintenance of UPS, including the batteries.

XVI      COMPUTER CONSUMABLES (For Bangalore Urban & Rural district only):

– Printer consumable: Cartridges, Toner, Ribbon, Printer head, Fuser assembly

– Media : Floppy, USB Sticks, CD, DVD

1.        The Company should be Manufacturer or an authorized dealer or distributor with annual turnover in computer consumables of more than Rs.50 lakhs for each of the last 3 years.

2.        The Company should provide evidence for having rendered good service to the customers in State or Central Government Departments to whom they have supplied the Computer Consumables.

3.        The applicant should enclose the details and items of Computer Consumables proposed for empanelment along with the application form.

4.     The Company’s Computer Consumables user base should be at least 200

5.     The Company should provide the details of Computer consumables supplied to the State / Central Government or Organizations. (List to be enclosed)

SCOPE   OF  EMPANELMENT:

The Company will be responsible for supply of good quality and original computer consumables only.

September 17, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | 1 Comment

Does GoK knows what it is doing in KSD ? Do we have KSDevelopers who has done sales in KARNATAKA State ?

Kannada Software and  Services 

SHORT NOTIFICATION FOR EMPANELMENT OF VENDORS IN E-GOVERNANCE SECRETARIAT

www.karnataka.gov.in/empanelment.html  

V. Kannada Software and  Services 

1. Kannada software should confirm to the guidelines issued in G.O. No. ITD 6 NJV  2000  dated 1-11-2000  issued by Government of Karnataka.

 2. The Kannada software developed should work under Windows, Unix, Linux and Macintosh platforms.

3.  The Kannada software developed should have a provision to add Kannada fonts to the community of English fonts in windows.

4. The Kannada software developed should  ;

a) Provide facility to use the package  both in  English and in Kannada languages

b) Provide facility to use Kannada fonts in the application software like Ms-access, Visual Basic, Oracle etc.

c)        Provide Indexing and Sorting facility as per Kannada alphabets.(CPÁgÁAvÀ)

d)       Provide import/export facility.

e)       Provide facility to send Kannada data through LAN, WAN, NICNET and INTERNET

f)         Provide Kannada e-mail facility

g)       Provide Government approved Keyboard layout

h)       Provide facility to save the file in the HTML, RTF and TXT formats

i)         Provide multimedia facility        

5)  The Company’s annual Turnover in Kannada software development should be Rs.25 lakhs or more for each of the last 3 years.

6)   The Company should be original software developers or authorized dealer. The Dealership should be exist for the last 2 Years.

7)  The Company should have at least 5 software engineers

SCOPE  OF EMPANELMENT;

The software developed has to be in accordance with the Government Order issued in this regard

September 17, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | Leave a comment

PROCEEDINGS OF THE GOVERNMENT OF KARNATAKA

August 28, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Govt. of Karnataka - GoK | 8 Comments

Letter from CIIL Director Udaya Narayana Singh [First SINGH needs to learn KANNADA]

Subj:    Re: http://www.ciil.org
Date:    7/24/01 3:50:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From:    bhasha@sancharnet.in (bhasha)
Reply-to:    bhasha@sancharnet.in (bhasha)
To:    NovaMed@aol.com

Mr. V.M.KUMARASWAMY
4, Sharpsburg
Irvine, California 92620
USA
Email: novamed@aol.com

Dear Mr. Kumaraswamy,

I wish I could write this letter to you in Kannada which to my mind is one of the most resonant languages that I have heard whenever I have heard my poet-friends reading out their pieces to me. Even though I can manage to use quite a few languages, my short stay here so far (only 7 months) can give me only a few lexical items. But that apart, we seem to be on the same boat – in our journey to see that our languages get the place they deserve in our lives, and in our children’s lives.

Let me come to your previous letter first, and on Harold’s reply sent by you.

You wanted to know the following, as you wrote: WE-TALK wants to know the following from C I I L:

>>Does CIIL has teaching materials for Kannada that have audio tapes
accompanying them that would be useful for WE-TALK?.

Yes, we do have both print and electronic materials.

>>Does CIIL has Kannada Dictionary to put on the WEB?.

We are in the process of creating a collocational site, rather two such sites – one for CIIL Grammar series, and another for CIIL Lexicon series. So we WILL put Kannada Lex on the net.

Does CIIL has any Kannada course materials to put on the WEB?.

Currently, we are in the process of creating on-line courses to be launched by mid 2002 in some Indian languages where Kannada, tamil, Telugu and Bengali (my language) are in more advanced stage.

Does CIIL has useful publications in Kannada which will benefit WE-TALK ?.

As our site and list of books will show there are several things that could be of use to non-native learners as well as those who have a Kannada descent but have lost the language. But in creating the webversion of it, we are refining these carefully.

>> Kannadigas in USA wants to request C I I L to get permission from CIIL to
digitize Kannada materials (both the written and the audio) which CIIL has
and help WE-TALK project. This helps to get the project completed in a faster
manner.

We have the latest sophisticated labs for taking care of these digitization activities, and we are ourselves in the process.  As Dr. Mallikarjun has informed you in his earlier e-mail, the Institute is already in the processes of preparing On-line Kannada teaching materials and also is in the process of putting up language learning tools on web.    Now, I would suggest that in this venture, CIIL should take as much help as possible from the “WE-TALK” project/program.  The help could be in several ways – from co-hosting the courses to launching Kannada teaching on the web program to propagating it, and even in creating web-contents with the help of creative writers from Kannada, many of whom are my close friends and associates. The problem faced by Harold can be handled easily at my end.

>>Bangalore being the IT Capital of India and fastest growing city in the world
in the area of  IT and sending Software Professionals all around the world, C
I I L and Kannadigas in USA  to work together to acheive this WE-TALK project.

I fully agree with you that we must benefit from this region of India being at an advanced stage of computer literacy. My 13 years of experience of Natural language processing activities in the University of Hyderabad has given me enough confidence that things can be doner in a very big way here at Mysore provided we have help and support from enthusiasts like you and your colleagues. I am happy to note what you have said next:

>>Kannadigas in USA are willing to work with C I I L in getting Kannada materials on the web.

Your next question:

>>Can you mail these kind of  books to me please: Egample: “An Intensive Course
in Kannada” by L. Halemane and M.N. Leelavathi -1996. We need these kind of books in Kannada for project WE-TALK use.

Yes, surely. I shall send you a complimentary copy of it. You need not buy it. I was just now telling Helemane (happens to be one of the finest thetre personalities in Kannada) about your interest in his text, as he was sitting here.

Now, let me come to the latest mail:

—– Original Message —–
From: NovaMed@aol.com
To: bhasha@sancharnet.in ; nrlc@hclinfinet.com ; ciil@giasbg.01.vsnl.net.in ; wrlc_in@hotmail.com
Cc: SHARADA ; NovaMed@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: www.ciil.org

>>I have received an Email and a letter from Dr. Mallikarjun. I felt very happy
to note the contents of the letter.

   Thanks.

>>I want to make a suggestion to CIIL. That is you have to make website
www.ciil.org to be interactive website.

   Eventually, yes. It will be. we have already announced that we will begin live tutoring. But as you would realize, ours will be the biggest site any educational institution will have anywhere in India. It is already 1 GB, and will soon be 10 GB with sound files, grammars, lexicons, folklore recordings, photo-files and other things in digitized form.


>>It should be in at least 15 major languages of India. Then it would be
convinient for most people in India to go through CIIL website.


To start with we have thought of soon coming up with Kannada, Tamil, Hindi and Urdu versions of it – if possible, also Bengali version, so as to cater to fellow Indians, other SAARC countries as well as NRI groups settled in 70 different countries.
>>By doing this CIIL can reach common person in India. This will boost the
interests of lots of people in India.

I agree. But more than that, it is necessary to take NLU/NLP research to a level that basic quesries in voice could be understood and replied to through an Indian language Q/A system through the net. But a lot of work has to be done in that area.

   I know this will take time. I am sure CIIL can do this.

>>I have written what we are planning to do on WE – TALK Project here in USA. I hope we can get support from CIIL. We would like to know how CIIL can work with Indian Citizens abroad and also with private entities. We can improve India by working together.

I think it will not be difficult for our Institute to get various Kannada writers in India to contribute towards CIIL’s venture for on-line learning, preparation of graded materials with due acknowledgement and token payment to them for using their work. However, this aspect of payment may have to be made by “WE-TALK” project.  It is also possible for the CIIL to do all that Prof. Schiffman has stated in his letter for Kannada.  The only thing it needs is, suitable  assistance from an organization like yours to meet certain cost involved in the process for which CIIL can not pay.  The Institute will suitably acknowledge all the help rendered by “WE-TALK” in its materials put up on web/on-line for Kannada. In fact, I suggest that the Kannada On-line itself could be launched together with your organization.

>>More advances in technology will revolutionize Indian economy, making
possible the kind of sustained economic growth that previously seemed
unimaginable. CIIL can play an important role in this digital economy.
As a public institution, we do agree that CIIL should contribute to the general growth of knowledge and well-being of India and Indians, and hence our move to digitization of our resources. Obviously, even if ours is a large institution spread all over the country, we cannot reach many unless we digitize in a very big way.

>>We’re here today to ensure that this growth continues in India. We do that by
recognizing that government has a responsibility to make sure it doesn’t get in the way. A prosperous, high-tech India benefits everyone in India and around the world.


I have plans to participate in the October 2001 South Asia Conference being organized by the University of Wisconsin at Madison. I have already written to the Ministry for funding and permission to attend the same. In case that happens, it may be a good idea to meet you and other colleagues to discuss possible cooperation and collaboration – I don’t know how and where – but we should try. I have plans to deliver two lectures at Hawaii after the conference, but no other major engagement as of now. Except that, I may have to try to get a trip to Missouri funded sometimes during this trip – either before or after.
In case, you are, in principle, agreeable to collaborative activity, we will be pleased to prepare a detailed budget (on what we could ask the Ministry to put in and what your organization can put in) to enhance this activity so that we can proceed further on concrete and meaningful terms.

>>We can improve literacy rate in India by working together.

We have several plans and programs in Literacy. Should be putting audio-visual literacy programmes soon on the web.
Best regards,
Udaya Narayana Singh

August 26, 2006 Posted by | CIIL Kannada, Muttukrishnan on KGP, Nudi and KAGAPA | 1 Comment