Kannada, Kannadiga, Kannadigaru, Karnataka,

Kannadigarella ondaagi Kannadavannu ulisona, kalisona and belesona

once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in Karnataka will be shut down.

INTERNAL EMAILS of KGP/KAGAPA

IN FIGHTING AMONG MEMBERS since 2002

PROBLEMS at KANNADA GANAKA PARISHAT “KGP/KAGAPA” since 2002

July 17th 2002 , 12:45 PM  to December 26, 2002 , 2:47 PM

Mr. Udaya Shankar Puranik email dated July 17th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated July  17th 2002

Spellchecker from Modularinfotech.com email dated July 13th 2002 to
Pandithardhya and Pavanaja

Prakash R email dated July 18th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 23rd 2002

Harsha Kodanad email dated December 2nd 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 01st 2002

Mr. S. K Anand of Cyberscapeindia email dated December 23rd 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 24th 2002

Mr. Yatheendranath T. J. email dated December 24th or 25th 2002 to
reply to Uday S Puranik, email dated December 24th 2002

Dr. U. B. Pavanaja email dated December 26th 2002

Anand S.K email dated December 23rd 2002

Anand S. K. email dated December 26th 2002

WHAT the IT SECRETRAY VIVEK KULAKARNI told in 2001 and 2002

Some important information out of

INTERNAL EMAILS of KANNADA GANAKA PARISHAT

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>
To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Re: nudi lib problem
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:38 AM

> >From the statement of Pavanaja:
>
> ” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months
> ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told
> “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in
> Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to
> fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged
> support. You should have an office to answer telephone
> calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.
> When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support
> activities also.”.


Pavanaja Wrote:

Unfortunately, in every meeting this fact was accepted by
everyone but s/w development orders were undertaken
clandestainly by KGP without informing the executive committee
.

Some such examples –
1) Font conversion for Vijaya Karnataka
2) Payroll s/w for D.I.T., Govt of Karnataka. Mr Shrinatha
Shastry’s son is working with Mr Rajkrishna at DIT for this job.
3) Culture directory for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt of
Karnataka. A sample has been made.
4) Dasa Sahithya web-site for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt
of Karnataka. A sample web-site was made and shown to the
concerned authorities.

None of these were discussed in any of the meetings.

Pavanaja wrote:

In fact, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested me to release the source
code under GPL. He told me to do so about 8 months ago. When I
mentioned this to Mr Shrinatha Shastry, he stronlgy opposed it
and told me not to do so. He said he will talk to Mr Vivek
Kulkarni about it. I don’t know what happenned afterwards.
Probably if we had released it under GPL, someone might have
made a Linux version by this time. Many people from Linux
community regularly ask me the question “why the source code is
not available under GPL?”. We should release the source code
since this is Govt sponsored project and hence every citizen has
a right on that. If someone files a Public Intereset Litigation
in the courts, we will be bound to release the source code. It
is better to release the source code before someone forces us to
do so.

People involved at Kannada Ganaka parishat “KGP / KAGAPA”

Dr. Srinatha Sastry
Dr. Pandithaardhya
Mr. G. N. Narasimhamurthy
Mr. Prakash R
Mr. Yatheendranath
Mr. Udaya shankar Puranik
Mr. Harsha Kodanad

Following People were kickedout because of probelms in KGP

For raising issues against KGP-KAGAPA members

Srinatha Sastry, Panditharadhya and Narasimha Murthy


Dr. U. B. Pavanaja
Mr. Anand S. K

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 Dr. U.B. Pavanaja wrote :

>namaskAra,

>

Has anyone replied to the following mail? If so, please send me a copy. If not, please decide who will reply to this mail and also to all such mails in future.

>

>sigONa,

>Pavanaja

>——- Forwarded message follows ——-

>To: pandita@eth.net, pavanaja@vishvakannada.com,

>gnnmurthy@indiatimes.com, ganakaparishat@ganakaparishat.org,

>ganaka@vishvakannada.com, ganakaparishat@email.com

From: spellchecker group <spellchecker@modular-infotech.com>

Subject: Regarding kannada KGP Keyboard & FontLayOut.

Send reply to: spellchecker@modular-infotech.com

Date sent: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:29:55 +0500

Pritiya Panditaradyaji & Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

I would like to introduce myself first, I Mr.Pandurang. A. Hosamani working as a senior software engineer in MODULAR INFOTCH LTD, Pune. Our company has been working for indian language solutions on computer from last 20 years. During this period we have developed many products including the famous SHREE-LIPI.

I would like to thank Mr. Panditaradyaji, Dr. U.B. Pavanaja for their kind help. For all my mails I have got quick & prompt reply from Mr. Panditaradyaji, thank you very much for that.

According to your KGP standards we are developing KGP Font Layout & Keyboard, but it seems we are having two versions of your documents.

I would like to know whether the documents sent by Mr. Panditaradyaji is latest & final(Especially for FontLayOut chart). Please let us know about the same. One more thing please send us the bilingual Fontlayout chart.

Once again thank you very much for your cooperation.

Prtiyinda,

P.A.HOSAMANI

Modular Infotech Pvt Ltd ,Pune

No 26,

Electronic Estate

Pune-Satara Road,

>——- End of forwarded message ———–

>——————————-

>Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

>Editor, Vishva Kannada

>World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

>http://www.vishvakannada.com/

_______________________________________________

From: uday S puranik <upuranik@rediffmail.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: Dr.U.B.Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>; <ganaka@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Regarding kannada KGP Keyboard & FontLayOut.

Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:45 PM

Hi

It was decided in the executive commitee meeting, that all such

mails will be and should be replied by the secretary of Kannada

Ganaka Parishat.

Hence you must be sending such mails to the mail id of the

secretary.

with regards

Udaya Shankar Puranik

From: Prakash <prakash@msrsas.org>

To: KGPExecMembers <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] who needs to answer

Date: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:04 AM

Dear Friends,

I strongly support Mr. Puraniks view and what was decided in our recent

meetings that the secretary of KGP must answer to all such queries to avoid

ambiguities. I feel other members can send their views to Secretary, KGP

who can make corrections before sending them. As the time has come to show

the strengths of KGP as an organization as felt my many members it is good

for all of us to stand behind our Secretary and pose one opinion as

standard. The other organizations who are interested in KGP activities

should get professional and unambiguous support.

Prakash R.

—– Original Message —–

From: “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja”

<pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <harsha@vishvakannada.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:02 PM

Subject: nudi lib problem

>Dear Harsha,

>

> I have figured out that there is some problem with the kannada-

> nudi.lib and kannada-nudi.dll regarding the calling conventions.

> Logo is working well with kalitha.lib and dll. If I change it to

> Nudi it is giving an error in OMF (Object Module Format). I have

> changed the reference properly. There is no prblem with that. I

> got it verified by one Borland C++ expert from HP.

>

> If you think that there is no error in the Nudi lib and dll,

> then pl send me one simple sample C++ program using Nudi dll and

> lib. I will try to compile by Borland C++ to verify. If you have

> changed the dll and lib recently while doing the “reverse” then

> send that version of dll and lib so that I can check whether

> that is working.

>

> Your immediate reply will be highly appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Pavanaja—————————————————–

> Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

> Editor, Vishva Kannada

> World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

> http://www.vishvakannada.com/

>

> Note: I don’t worry about pselling mixtake

—— Forwarded message follows ——-

From: “Harsha Kodnad” <kmharsha@hotmail.com>

To: “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja”

<pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: Re: nudi lib problem

Date sent: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:32:17 +0530

Sir,

I am sure and confident that there is no problem with kannada-nudi.lib and

kannada-nudi.dll. for defferent compilers and linkers you need to change the

defnitions of the functions and calling method in header file. which you have the

source and you can modify that also. And I am also very sure that you dont need

to change the calling convension since from the begining of KalithaI am using

thewindows standard calling convension ‘__stdcall’ and still it is same. so itmust

work.

Most of the standard libraries provided with companies wont work for different

compilers, As a programmer we need to do some R&D and do some changes in

our source code by which we can use the library. Anybody who has used

windows SDKs, Win32 APIs will be able to easily use my Nudi SDK. cause it

comes out with standard convensions.

I have installed windows ME on my machine yesterday I have some problem

in installing Boreland C++ today I will install it.onceI install everythingI will be

able to give you a nudi header file which is compatible with Boreland c++

compiler so that you can reduce some borden on the programmer.

As a nudi developer I can give you support for nudi as early as possible by me,

but I can’t teach anybody C, C++ or what ever, cause I am not a computer faculty

and also I am not paid for that.

So its not a Nudi lib problem its a programmer’s problem.

You know C, C++, VC++, Palm OS, Windows CE, Win32 Programming, You

are the Project Manager / Developer of Nudi, Palm Nudi, Nudi for Jornada, All

coding also done by you, and I am surprised that you cant solve a silli linking

problem!

Once I have installed Boreland C++, I will call you and tell you the instructions

to link kannada-nudi.lib. what are the canges need to be made in header files and

all those things.

Regards,

Harsha

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] (Fwd) Re: nudi lib problem

Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:38 AM

To: The members of the Software Sub-committee, KGP.

cc: Executive Committee members, KGP.

As all of you are aware I am making a Kannada version of

the world-famous LOGO program, used to teach programming

concepts to school children. The program is written in

Borland C++ Version 5.02. 3 years ago, when I started it,

it was using Akruti fonts but no DLL. Later on it was

changed over to Kalitha font and Kaliha DLL. This

conversion was done by Harsha, who is the developer of

Kalitha and Nudi. Recently when I have appointed a

developer to complete the task. Now the DLL and LIB to be

used have become Nudi. When Kalitha was made, a DLL and LIB

files were given for programmers. LOGO is working with

these DLL and LIB to some extent. LOGO has two windows to

enter the text. In one window, the Kalitha DLL and LIB are

working. In another window Kalitha DLL and LIB are not

working.

When we tried to use the Nudi DLL and LIB, we get linking

errors. It says “Error in Object Module Format (OMF)”. The

header file given with Kalitha and Nudi are different. The

functions and their properties have changed. I informed the

problem to Harsha, the developer of Nudi. He told over

phone that the problem must be in linking. I tried again. I

even called one Borland C++ expert from HP and asked him to

look into. He said that the person who wrote the DLL and

LIB only can solve this problem. When I wrote a mail to

Harsha about this he replied arrogantly that he is not a

faculty to teach C++ programming. He could have tried

linking his DLL and LIB using Borland C++ and sent me a

sample as requested by me. The Nudi SDK contains only a VB

sample and no C++ sample. Now I have decided to finish the

LOGO project without explicitly making use of the SDK.

Instead I will give a LOGO package with all fonts being

changed to Nudi Akshsara. The user has to manually invoke

the Nudi keyboard driver before starting LOGO. This is how

people are using Nudi for DTP. I don’t have any other

option left.

Some contradictions in Harsha’s mail:

In one place he says “As a programmer we need to do some R&D and do some changes in our source code by which we can use the library”. In another place he says “Anybody who has used windows SDKs, Win32 APIs will be able to easily use my Nudi SDK. cause it comes out with standard convensions”.

Don’t you think these two are contradictory to each other? Why at all one should do R & D to use any library is that library is using standard conventions? Again he says “So its not a Nudi lib problem its a programmer’s problem”. But he has not substantiated his claim.

I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged support. You should have an office to answer telephone calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc. When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support activities also.”.

I am an executive committee member of KGP. I mentioned the problem on Dec.1. So far I did not get any sample file as promised. If an exec. commiitee member also can not get

support for a simple linking problem then I wonder what will be the status of 5 crore Kannadigas who will become dependent on KGP for Kannada s/w developments, mainly for the toolkit.

I don’t put all the blames on Harsha. He is working at Tally. He works mostly up to night 10-11 pm, almost daliy. He has no time to spare for KGP, inspite of a PC being

given to him and money being paid above and over the given PC. KGP should have someone work full-time for Nudi. I request the software sub-committee people to look into this serious problem. Please take remedial action before an outsider writes about these peoblems in newspapers.

What work Rajkrishna and Krishnamurthy are doing? Why are they being paid? As I understand, Nudi works is done by Harsha and Santhosh. Fonts are being made by someone from Koppa. Staroffice and Linux work is done by Ramsimha and his team. Then what are the roles assigned to Rajkrishna and Krishnamurthy? Why can’t they be trained and made in-charge for Nudi? So that we need not torture Harsha.

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaj

From: <anand_sk@vsnl.com>

  1. To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Cc: <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

Subject: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:51 PM

The KGP Executive Committee members,

I am quite pained to hear of the lack of support for the Nudi DLL’s that Pavanaja is facing. If a KGP exec committee member has to face this one can well imagine the plight of a common kannada software developer.

I think the main reason for this kind of problem is that the whole software development for Kalitha and Nudi started of in a hush hush manner and was intended to stab the back of those Independent Software Vendors(ISVs) who were working in this area including people like us who were used by M/s. Srinath Sastry and Narsimurthy to tap on us for any technical expertise, when they had no idea about the the technical issues regarding kannada keyboards and coding issues.

They got a part time developer like Harsha to reverse engineer the fonts and coding and the workings of software like Akruti (submitted to the KGP for evaluation). This is how painstaking work which took software vendors more than a decade to come to the current levels could be easily done within a year or so.

>From the statement of Pavanaja:

” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months

ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told

“once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in

Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to

fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged

support. You should have an office to answer telephone

calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.

When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support

activities also.”.

It becomes very clear that the plan to eliminate ISV’s was more than 15 months old. Some blame should also be placed at Pavanaja’s shoulder for having aided and abbetted Sastry and Narsimurthy in this murky business. After all it was he who introduced this very same Harsha to KGP.

Firstly, I think the only way of cleaning up this shady business is to open up the source code to the technically competent executive committee members of the KGP to start with so that support could be provided by them rather than some part time programmers who dance to the tune of a select few.

Later on in true open source methodology, the source may be put out in the public domain available to all Kannadigas.

Secondly, from various media releases we have seen a effort by prominent KGP office bearers belittling the motives of some of the ISV’s saying that they are interested in only money.

I would like to ask a simple question. Which of the members of KGP can purport to live without money. Let us accept that nothing is possible without a commercial interest. One cannot hope to live on government doles forever. Any project, no matter how noble it may be, including promotion of Kannada software will be sustainable in the long run only if it is self sustaining in economic terms.

Yes, we as ISV’s charge money for software, because to develop it, to sustain the development and support it continuously costs money and we have no govt. doles to rely upon.

Nudi’s development and release is not the end of the problem. People like me who have developed Akruti many many years ago are still grappling with the problem of supporting our users accross the length and breadth of the country adequately. So expecting a rag tag bunch of amateurs to do it effectively is asking for too much.

I hope the KGP executive committee members put their head to the long term issue and come out with right answers.

More dangerously, we as ISV’s were told that since there is no need for the basic font and interface software after NUDI, we were told to work on Kannda applications. Our company along with ISL came out with e-Karyalaya, a general administration software for govt. offices.

We find a repeat situation happening in the same hush hush and murky manner wherein after having been assured at committee meetings that KGP will not get into applications, we find that KGP employed people like Rajkrishna along with Srinath Sastry’s son are dabbling with DIT and KDA to come out with a reverse engineered software called e-Adalitha.

I would like Mr. Sastry to state the facts very clearly as to what his intentions and interests in this matter are. At least we as ISV’s are upfront in declaring our commercial interest. The worst people according to me are those who say someting in the front and do something else in the back.

If any of the KGP executive committee members or their family members or proxy organisations have any such hidden agendas, I think they should be bold enough to declare it openly and not pretend to be noble hypocrites.

With deep regret at the shameful going ons at KGP.

Anand S.K.

___________________________________________________

From: Dr. U.B. Pavanaja <pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 12:57 PM

namaskAra,

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:55:21 +0530 (IST)

> anand_sk@vsnl.com wrote

>

> I am quite pained to hear of the lack of support for the Nudi DLL’s

> that Pavanaja is facing. If a KGP exec committee member has to face

> this one can well imagine the plight of a common kannada software

> developer.

>

> I think the main reason for this kind of problem is that the whole

> software development for Kalitha and Nudi started of in a hush hush

> manner and was intended to stab the back of those Independent Software

> Vendors(ISVs) who were working in this area including people like us

> who were used by M/s. Srinath Sastry and Narsimurthy to tap on us for

> any technical expertise, when they had no idea about the the technical

> issues regarding kannada keyboards and coding issues.

>

> They got a part time developer like Harsha to reverse engineer the

> fonts and coding and the workings of software like Akruti (submitted

> to the KGP for evaluation). This is how painstaking work which took

> software vendors more than a decade to come to the current levels

> could be easily done within a year or so.

>

> >From the statement of Pavanaja:

>

> ” I remember what Mr Vivek Kulkarni has told, about 15 months

> ago, after watching the demo of Kalitha at KGP. He told

> “once you release this product, the Kannada s/w industry in

> Karnataka will be shut down. Then you should be ready to

> fill the vacuum. You should be able to provide full-pledged

> support. You should have an office to answer telephone

> calls, have a web-based support, suppport by email, etc.

> When you make the roadmap, ask for enough money for support

> activities also.”.

>

> It becomes very clear that the plan to eliminate ISV’s was more than

> 15 months old. Some blame should also be placed at Pavanaja’s shoulder

> for having aided and abbetted Sastry and Narsimurthy in this murky

> business. After all it was he who introduced this very same Harsha to

> KGP.

I did not introduce Harsha to KGP. He is a distant relative of

Mr Narasimhamurthy. One day, when I had gone to KGP, he was

introduced to me by Mr Narasimhamurthy and Mr Shrinatha Shastry.

I saw the work done by him on DOS regarding Kannada and took him

to Tally. At Tally, we had a plan of developing keyboard drivers

for Indian lanmguages, whih was later abondoned and the toolkits

were bought from CDAC.

I am not part of any murky business. The very first version of

Kalitha was made to test the compliance of other Kannada s/w to

the Govt notification mainly towards keyboard, font encoding and

sorting. When the demo was given, it was not in the form of a

package. After seeing the demo, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested to

make it into a package. He also suggested to make a roadmap of

the things to be done apart from this s/w. Then the roadmap was

prepared by Mr Shrinatha Shastry based on the skeleton provided

by me. I gave the plan with cost estimations. But almost all

amounts mentioned by me (based on the industry standard payments

for project manager and developer) were later on slashed to

almost 1/4 th of what I suggested. for ex., I had suggested

Rs.50,000 per font which was reduced to Rs.10,000 per font. Now

everyone knows what happenned to the fonts. There was even an

article in Prajavani’s letters to the editor column mentioning

about the unprofessional fonts supplied by KGP. I had suggested

two alternatives regarding fonts-

1) Buy some good quality fonts from existing vendors

2) Find out a good professioanl font developer of fonts and give

contract to him to make fonts. I had found out one such person

from Pune and requested him to give a good quote for a non-

profit organisation. He gave a quote of Rs.30,000 per font.

Myself and Harsha were strongly against releasing Kalitha without a professioanl font. But all these were thrown to wind and some un-professionals were assigned the task of making fonts.

I had suggested that KGP should have a list of empanelled s/w developers of Kannada which can be submitted to Govt. Govt can give orders to these developers for Kannada s/w developments. My philosophy is “live and let live”. But the philosophy now

followed by KGP is “live and let die”.

I am the person who had foreseen the situation regarding Kannada s/w developments. KGP can not supply s/w to entire Karnataka. Hence it should not venture into application developments. This task should be left to professional developers who will be able to offer professional support for the product and services they offer. Kannada s/w developmental opportunities start with the Govt. If these are fully grabbed by KGP, the Kannada s/w industry will die. Then there will be no industry left to supply Kannada s/w to entire Karnataka. Supplying Kannada s/w to entire Karnataka is definitely beyond the capabilities of KGP.

Unfortunately, in every meeting this fact was accepted by

everyone but s/w development orders were undertaken

clandestainly by KGP without informing the executive committee.

Some such examples –

1) Font conversion for Vijaya Karnataka

2) Payroll s/w for D.I.T., Govt of Karnataka. Mr Shrinatha

Shastry’s son is working with Mr Rajkrishna at DIT for this job.

3) Culture directory for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt of

Karnataka. A sample has been made.

4) Dasa Sahithya web-site for Dept of Kannada and Culture, Govt

of Karnataka. A sample web-site was made and shown to the

concerned authorities.

None of these were discussed in any of the meetings.

> Firstly, I think the only way of cleaning up this shady business is to open up the source code to the technically competent executive committee members of the KGP to start with so that support could be provided by them rather than some part time programmers who dance to the tune of a select few.

I agree. I am the initiator of Kalitha (which later became

Nudi). When I asked for the source code for the latest version

to try to make a Unicode version using .NET, I was not given the

source code. I could have helped in making a Unicode version as

I have developed an Opentype font which is needed for Unicode

version.

> Later on in true open source methodology, the source may be put out in

> the public domain available to all Kannadigas.

In fact, Mr Vivek Kulkarni suggested me to release the source code under GPL. He told me to do so about 8 months ago. When I mentioned this to Mr Shrinatha Shastry, he stronlgy opposed it and told me not to do so. He said he will talk to Mr Vivek Kulkarni about it. I don’t know what happenned afterwards. Probably if we had released it under GPL, someone might have made a Linux version by this time. Many people from Linux community regularly ask me the question “why the source code is not available under GPL?”. We should release the source code since this is Govt sponsored project and hence every citizen has a right on that. If someone files a Public Intereset Litigation in the courts, we will be bound to release the source code. It is better to release the source code before someone forces us to do so.

> Secondly, from various media releases we have seen a effort by

> prominent KGP office bearers belittling the motives of some of the

> ISV’s saying that they are interested in only money.

>

> I would like to ask a simple question. Which of the members of KGP can

> purport to live without money. Let us accept that nothing is possible

> without a commercial interest. One cannot hope to live on government

> doles forever. Any project, no matter how noble it may be, including

> promotion of Kannada software will be sustainable in the long run only

> if it is self sustaining in economic terms.

I agree.

> Yes, we as ISV’s charge money for software, because to develop it, to

> sustain the development and support it continuously costs money and we

> have no govt. doles to rely upon.

>

> Nudi’s development and release is not the end of the problem. People like me who have developed Akruti many many years ago are stillgrappling with the problem of supporting our users accross the lengthand breadth of the country adequately. So expecting a rag tag bunch ofamateurs to do it effectively is asking for too much.

>

> I hope the KGP executive committee members put their head to the long

> term issue and come out with right answers.

I agree.

> More dangerously, we as ISV’s were told that since there is no need

> for the basic font and interface software after NUDI, we were told towork on Kannda applications. Our company along with ISL came out with e-Karyalaya, a general administration software for govt. offices.

But then the Nudi SDK should not have any bugs and there should be technical support. I am finding problems here.

> We find a repeat situation happening in the same hush hush and murkymanner wherein after having been assured at committee meetings thatKGP will not get into applications, we find that KGP employed people like Rajkrishna along with Srinath Sastry’s son are dabbling with DITand KDA to come out with a reverse engineered software called

> e-Adalitha.

>

> I would like Mr. Sastry to state the facts very clearly as to what his intentions and interests in this matter are. At least we as ISV’s areupfront in declaring our commercial interest. The worst peopleaccording to me are those who say someting in the front and do

> something else in the back.

>

> If any of the KGP executive committee members or their family membersor proxy organisations have any such hidden agendas, I think theyshould be bold enough to declare it openly and not pretend to be noble

> hypocrites.

>

> With deep regret at the shameful going ons at KGP.

>

> Anand S.K.

I am surprised by the silence of other committee members. We need more committed members to the cause of Kannada than just committee members.

My words are always bitter. Because truth is always bitter. I believe in “vasthunistha” rather than “vyakthinistha”.

I request all the committee members to think beyond some individuals and look at the cause of Kannada.

Thanks for everyone for reading this lengthy mail.

sigONa,

Pavanaja

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Dr. U.B. Pavanaja

Editor, Vishva Kannada

World’s first Internet magazine in Kannada

http://www.vishvakannada.com/

Note: I don’t worry about pselling mixtakes

____________________________________________

—–Original Message—–

> From: Yatheendranath T J [mailto:yathi@adamya.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:50 PM

> To: KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [KGPExecMembers] Problems with Nudi DLL’s

> namaskaara,

>

> I agree with Uday. We must not forget the basic objectives of KGP.

> I think some are peeved mixing up 2 issues –

> 1. The objectives of KGP

> 2. Commercial considerations due to KGP activity

> May be we need to address these issues separately.

>

> It is sad and unfair if the struggle and achievements made by the active KGP members are belittled. There could be disagreements on the way things are being done, but if the end result is doing good to the upliftment of kannaDa in any way, one should be happy and proud of being a part of it, in some way or the other.

> Best is to stop this chain of mails and fix a place and time for open discussion. So long as we don’t suspect the intentions and integrity of co-members, and if we are open to any decision the committee makes, we sure will be able to resolve all concerns amicably.

> I think, opening nuDi source code to public is a good proposition.

> We need to address IP and other related issues though.

> warm regards,

>

> yathi

Yatheendranath T J Tel: Co-Founder and COO

Off: +91 (80) 322-1780, 322-0594

Adamya Computing Technology (P) Cell: +91-98440-74381865/2,

Dr. Modi Hospital Road, Fax: +91 (80) 322-5071

Bangalore – 560 086, INDIA Web: http://www.adamya.com

================================================

uday S puranik wrote:

> Hi everybody

>

> I am surprised by the tone and tenor of the recent discussions.

>

> If the purpose of this forum is to indulge in mudslinging and

> character assasination, it does no good for the Ganaka parishat

> and I dont want to spoil my name and position in the industry by

> associating with this forum.

>

> The executive comittee members have a mind of thier own and need

> advice on what they should be doing or thinking about.

>

> Any problem can always be sorted out by discussion and that is if

> there is belief in cooperation and not confrontation.

>

> Hope we all can still work together and further the cause of the

> Ganaka Parishat.

>

> with regards

Udaya S Puranik

_______________________________________________

>

> hi,

>

> finally two sensible mails. one from mr. uday puranik and the other

> from mr. yatheendranath.

>

> it is indeed futile to indulge in character assassination and nothing

> will come out of it except a bitter and ugly feeling lingering within

> everyone, including the ones who wrote such mails. we must discuss

> these issues in a meeting when everyone concerned is present. there

> will always be disgreements no matter what path one takes. these

> issues must be ironed out amicably.

>

> regards to all.

>

> -vidyadhar mudkavi

> dec 26, 2002

From: <anand_sk@vsnl.com>

To: <KGPExecMembers@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Meeting to sort out issues

Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:47 PM

Dear KGP Exec committee members,

I think the suggestion to hold a face to face meeting to sort out the issues aired earlier is fine, can the date and time be worked out and informed well in advance.

Most active groups like the open source forums have very lively discussions online. These are precursors to the actual face to face meetings. I think it may be a healthy practice to follow, since most of the participants would already have done their homework on the issues to be discussed. The reasons for this is everybody’s time is precious and physical meetings entails a lot of time and effort and it should be used in the final stages for conclusive action plans and not for debating.

Online discussions are far better suited for airing out contrary and dissenting views, which can be resolved to a large extent by online debate. This is a very efficient means to arrive at consensus which can be ratified at physical meetings. I disagree that these are chain mails. The first motive should be exchange of views and to step up the level of involvement of the normally dormant members. In fact I find a very disturbing silence on part of the key functionaries of the KGP and complete lack of participation.

In fact though we call ourselves Ganaka Parishat, there is hardly any usage of this wonderful electronic medium for interaction as has been pointed out earlier by Pavanaja. The advantages are besides encouraging transparency it is self documenting and if there is a fear that they may degenerate to mudslinging then the very fact that everything a person says or reacts to is being recorded is enough reason for the medium to be self policing. It is very much like putting our venerable MLA’s and MP’s on camera. Let the people at large judge the quality of the debate and not some interested censors or editors. That is if we have nothing to fear in being forthright and we have the will to swallow bitter truth.

So much so that most of our KGP business could be conducted on email or better still on live online discussion forms to save time and physical inconvenience and beat the distance barrier.

Hope to hear from more of you soon. With regards.

Anand S.K.

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