Dr. Kambar speaksout on KANNADA SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT
Dr. Kambar who presided EKAVI Suvarana Sambrama program held on September 29th 2007, lashes out at Govt. of Karnataka for not taking proper steps to correct the problems of Kannada Software Development in Karnataka State.
KSD issues — prevailing mistrust among Kannadigas
By Sada Shiva <>
I had posted in my last post how our Kannada language is rich in culture and legacy. Here is the continued part of it.
Going through the documents at E-Kavi’s online archive (https://ellakavi.wordpress.com), we get to know that many enthusiast Kannadigas began to work on the implementation of Kannada on digital gadgets (computers, handhelds, etc). There were around 30 software research groups (companies) which worked on our Kannada language implementation on computers. Many had developed a rich set of fonts required for high quality printing. Others had brought out some of the very good softwares for DTP work and Development kits for application development for the handheld devices. In all there was a healthy competition among the many Kannada software developers which the government or some other organization could choose from for software services and implementation those willing to localize the computerization.
The entry of Baraha and Nudi softwares have killed the business of all these firms. Now due to the mistrust created by these two entities, the doom of great misbelief looms large over the Kannada software development arena. Somedays back one Kannada friend in this forum asked for a trial software, but it was not given most probably for the feat that more fonts may be stolen. These two entities have created such a mistrust that nobody is coming forward to write any useful software for Kannada, why should they, when all the standards are stupidly made and our mindless government itself has declared that Nudi is the sole package to be used in all Government offices. This is a mindless way of our own government killing the business of Kannada enthusiasts. Unfortunately not many Kannadigas have tried to set the things right in this front, which has a direct implication on the survival of Kannada. May be all these known to many Kannadigas.
So what should be done to set the things right? When our government goes to foreign lands wasting the taxpayer’s money on foreign trips to attact FDI, here in our own Kannada land, our Kannada enterprises are getting enraged and have found the dirty tactics of our government as far as the KSD is concerned. Unless the things are set right in this direction, Kannada survival is in serious threat. Once Kannada becomes weak (which it already has in many fronts due to these murky happenings), no culture, religion and anything similar exist.
First of all our Kannada enthusiasts will not need any forums to discuss Kannada issues as there will be nothing to discuss. So, what should our government do to set things right and encourage more Kannadigas to participate in Kannada building efforts on computers? This is a set of questions each and every Kannadiga should ask to him/her. This question and solution to them should clear the heavily shrouded cloud of mistrust that prevails now.
I have not tried to mention all those names who are involved in Baraha and Nudi development who have been responsible for the mess in KSD. It is imperative that they have caused a big damage to Kannada through KSD. Keeping in view the greater Kannada good, those people at KGP should be taken to charge, because, though they are answarable to every Kannadiga they have not cared to even have a feedback, keep things transparent, not attending a meeting with Kannadigas when many arranged for one a long back, their stupid misadventures only grow to show their shortcomings. If they have some shame and if they care for Kannadigas, they should come open to talk to Kannadigas about their take on KSD. Otherwise it only means that they have done every mindless thing that they are accused of.
Friends, put in your suggestions as to what should be done at least from now on. Let this discussion be a brainstorming one even if it leads to flame wars.
Why should not we have a flame war if it paves way for a good result?
Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:30 am
PLEASE go through these emails written in 2004 about KANNADA LANGUAGE and KANNADA Software Development.
In a message dated 6/15/2004 10:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Dear Mr. Kumaraswamy,writes:
Thank you for your detailed description of the problems being faced in the operation of NUDI and the use of Kannada software to carry on work by the Government. i must confess to great ignorance of software technologies and preparation. However, your communication is a good trarting point for some study into the items you have raised. i shall ask the Secretary E-Governance to examine as to what needs to be done on the points you have raised. i am marking a copy of this reply to him which should help you to be in touch with the source that should be in a position to follow what you have pointed out.
SINCE 2004, GoK has not made any attempt to correct the problems of Kannada Software Development, even with 1000 letters to GoK.
BARAHA Fonts has DESTROYED the KANNADA SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT in KARNATAKA STATE.
BARAHA FONTS is COPIED by NUDI Fonts by Kannada Ganaka Parishat and then KGP sold it to Govt. of Karnataka for 29 Lakhs.
Is this what we want ? Be TRUTHFUL in telling KANNADIGAS.
Bring this to open first !!!
GoK using STOLEN NUDI fonts !!
Dear Mr. ACHARYA and others in GOK,
ACCORDING TO KRIA, Karnataka Right to Information Act, You all need to respond in certain number of days to email letters.
I hope GOK Secretaries are following this KRIA act properly and respond to letters of citizens of Karnataka State.
Press and MEDIA inand Karnataka State need to act on this and expose what is happenning.
KANNADIGAS expect an answer from you all.
V. M. Kumaraswamy
indiaegov OK <> wrote:
Dear Mr. Acharya,
I had written to you On June 13th, 2004 about INCOMPATIBLE KANNADA SOFTWARE being used in GoK. You had promptly responded to me on June 15th, 2004. Both the copies of the emails are appended here for you and all in the email to read. You had written that you have referred this issue to Secretary of egovernance of GoK.
What did he do? NOTHING. egovSec went to make his deals with NISG, CMS / RAMINFO TECH and adopting CAG slammed project eSeva forOne Project. WHAT A WAY TO HANDLE THINGS FOR GOK !!
NISG has to take most of the blame for all the things that are happenning in eGov of.
This eGov Sec of GoK does not have regard for KANNADA Language. He is interested in deals to be made as quickly as possible. He does not know how long he is going to stay as eGov Sec ofGOK !! MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUNSHINES !!!
WHAT HAS HAPPENED NOW NOTHING ? Please read the following and also rely from CM of Karnataka State.
Now GOK Secretaries EXPERTS COMMITTEE and EMPOWERED COMMITTEE of GOK gone ahead with BANGALORE ONE Project also which in itself is a FRAUD ON PEOPLE OF BANAGLORE CITY and KARNATAKA STATE. Please go through this URL. It might save lots of time for lots of peopel in Karnataka State.
Many depts yet to complete e-governance projects
Software mismatch makes communication impossible
- Sixty-two departments have taken up e-governance projects at a cost of Rs. 179.93 crores.
- Only 17 departments have completed their projects. Projects are in initial stage in 10 departments.
- Each department opted for its own brand of software that is not compatible with that in other offices.
: E-governance and computerization are yet to be completed in many government departments and agencies despite spending huge sums of money on them in the past five years and concomitant publicity.
Sixty-two government departments have taken up e-governance projects since 1995-96 at a cost of Rs. 179.93 crores for achieving the goals of efficiency, transparency and citizen-friendly interface. Of them, only 17 departments have completed their projects. The projects are at the completion stage in four departments and at the initial stage in 10 departments. Some progress has been made in 26 departments. There is, however, no information about the projects in five departments, according to official records.
In their eagerness to catch up with the latest trends in information technology, each departments opted for its own brand of Kannada software that is not compatible with that in other offices.
Departments / Directorates such as Women and Child Welfare, Economic and Statistics, Kannada and Culture, Secondary Education, Bangalore Mahanagara Palike have used “Nudi” software,
while Social Welfare and Employment and Training went in for “Nudi” and “Kairali” software.
While the Bangalore Urban Water Supply and Sewerage Board has used “Leep”, software,
the Excise Department had adopted ISM.
The Karnataka High Court and Port and Inland Water Transport department have used “Surabhi” software.
The Karnataka Legal Services Authority has used “Surabhi” and “Srilipi” software.
The Gulbarge Municipal Corporation has used “Lipi” software.
The Directorate of Translation has used “Akrati” and “Kannada Padma” software.
As a result, collection of data and reporting from one department to another is almost impossible, and the entire works has to be done all over again. If e-governance is to effective, individual application programmes should be able to communicate with those of the other departments. Inter-operability of e-governance projects is of vital importance if citizens are to benefit from information technology, say experts in e-governance.
Most of the departments have given consultancy to companies such as C-DAC, Wipro Infotech, HCL, Keonics, Zenith Computers, Excel software, TCL Limited, and Crest Technologies for software.
The Chief Minister, N. Dharam Singh has acknowledged the delay in the completion of e-governance projects.
He said in the Legislative Assembly recently he will take steps for their early completion. Many legislators argued that crores of rupees have been spent on e-governance projects but to no avail.
In a message dated 6/15/2004 10:24:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,writes:
Dear Mr. Kumaraswamy,
Thank you for your detailed description of the problems being faced in the operation of NUDI and the use of Kannada software to carry on work by the Government. i must confess to great ignorance of software technologies and preparation. However, your communication is a good trarting point for some study into the items you have raised. i shall ask the Secretary E-Governance to examine as to what needs to be done on the points you have raised. i am marking a copy of this reply to him which sould help you to be in touch with the source that should be in a position to follow what you have pointed out.
From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: Kannada Software Development, GoK, eGovernance, Kannadigas, Karnataka
Hello GoK PRSecretaries, Secretaries, DYSecretaries and others,
This is request from Kannadigas of Karnataka and all over the world. Kannada should be used in all Departments of GoK. Is this happenning ? Is Development work of Kannada Software heading in the right direction? This is a request fro all of you to look into. Here are some of the information provided for your file. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS.
All GoK Departemnts should be using the same software and networking systems.
eGovernance of GoK needs to look into the Development of Kannada Software. This is not going properly. Even thoughbeing IT Capital.
Has eGovernance checked why Kannada Developers are not coming forward with new products?
NUDI Kannada Software is the property of GoK. Since it was funded by GoK.
GoK sponsored Nudi software must be made Open Source Software (OSS). NUDI should be made UNICODE compatible in all avenues. Not in one item as it is now. GoK need to do this immedately without wasting any time.
WHY eGovernance has not recomended NUDI Software to be Open Source Software (OSS) ? This helps all Kannadigas to develop further the Kannada Software, SO THAT GoK can have better programs for a smooth networking of all Departments of GoK.
DOES eGovernance know problems with NUDI SOFTWARE? Some of them are listed here for the benefit of GoK.
a. NUDI breaks the GOI standard when arkavattu is involved. NUDI has problem in Export to IISCII.
b. Nudi just has a Unicode compatible keyboard driver which works only on(and on , if there is a Kannada Opentype font present)
Nudi’s editor has a feature “Save As Unicode”. But the file saved as Unicode can not be opend again by Nudi. In other words, Nudi’s editor can not edit a Unicode document.
c. Nudi does not provide opentype font which is required for rendering Kannada Unicode text.
d. There is no bi-lingual font standard for Kannada. Does eGovernance know this?
e. Nudi follows GoK standard in these areas-
monolingual truetye font glyph set
save as HTML
Nudi’s non-standard features are-
Nudi contains a bi-lingual truetype font which is not as per any standard
Nudi’s Save As ISCII breaks the Govt of India standard when arkavattu is involved.
Nudi uses a scheme called Kannada Script Code for Language Processing (KSCLP) for sorting, which is not as per any standard. But the fact is that this KSCLP is a good solution for Kannada Sorting. This should be in the Public Domain.
f. Nudi has just a keyboard driver for Unicode which works only onand 2003. and 2003 have built-in support for Unicode making the Unicode feature of Nudi redundant. Nudi does not provide opentype font which is required for rendering Kannada Unicode text. Nudi’s Software Development Kit (SDK) does not support Unicode.
Egample: Type some text in Kannada using Nudi 4. Save it as Unicode. Then open the same file again in Nudi 4. It shows it as junk. Nudi cannot display a Kannada Unicode text file created by XP or. That means Nudi’s Unicode support is of no use.
g. There is a difference between Freeware and Free Software. Nudi is a Freeware but not a Free Software. As per GNU, Free Software is the one where the source code is also available in public domain. Nudi’s source code is not available in public domain. It is not an opensource software. Only binary (executable) of Nudi is free. If you are a software expert, found some bugs in Nudi (there are many) and want to correct them, then you can not do so.
NUDI is not in conformity with the G.O for the following:
1. Nudi developed using non-standard proprietory encoding which is not a standard.
2. Nudi uses the modified ISCII standard (ISCII is a national standard).
3. Nudi does not provide any conversion utility to convert the data created using the other existing Kannada software.
4. Nudi does not provide conversion utility to convert between the data created in the standard glyphs and the ISCII.
Kannada Linux enthusiasts and developers are requesting for the source code of Nudi from
last three years. They are needing the source code of Nudi for implementing the keyboard
driver and the sorting algorithm. This helps Kannada Software to be developed in a different
Kannadigas are complaining that fonts issued along with Nudi are not of professional quality, there is not support mechanism for Nudi, Nudi has many bugs, etc.
Kannadigas and Developers feel IF Nudi is made OSS, passionate developers can fix the bugs in Nudi.
From reading all the information provided, one can come to conclusion that;
All the above has done damage to Kannada software development.
We all need to promote more Kannada Software developers to come forward for the benefit of GoK and make it more open. THIS HELPS GoK also.
Literally, there can be a Kannada version for every software in English. All of you please think why there are many software in English and why not in Kannada or any Indian Language. It is the business (need or anticipated need) which drives the development. How one can expect the development, WHEN KANNADA Software development is monopolised?
If any of you has any questions on this, Please write to me. ATLEAST some of you must look into these problems that are created here and try to correect it.
V. M. Kumaraswamy
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So what is you answer now ? Are you going to answer the problems that are arised here ?
We are waiting for your reply and also from HONEST RESPONSIBLE officers in GoK, IF there are any left in GoK.
I hope MINISTERS and POLITICIANS take notice of these things.
V. M. Kumaraswamy
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