Kannada, Kannadiga, Kannadigaru, Karnataka,

Kannadigarella ondaagi Kannadavannu ulisona, kalisona and belesona

Anand S.K. MD of Cyberscape Multimedia Ltd. Akruthi Fonts Developer writes: Quality always comes at a price, so if you pay peanuts all you can hire are monkeys !! “

In a message dated 6/12/2004 5:29:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, anand@cyberscapeindia.com writes:

Namaskara,

I entirely agree with Shri Janardhana regarding the need to hold a meeting of all present and former members like myself to straighten out the matters raised by the various Kannada Computing enthusiasts.

However more important than setting records right and clearing up past injustices is to articulate very clearly, what we intend to do in the future to see the application and growth of Kannada in all electronic and information technology devices. With the convergence of Telecom and IT, many new challenges lie ahead for the growth of language technology, much beyond the PC.

What clearly is the need of the day is a vision statement with a roadmap of what needs to be done and what can be practically achieved the next few years and delegate the responsibilities to interested entities and also debate on how the funds and resources will be raised and distributed amongst the participants and how the milestones and disbursals would be monitored.

My personal opinion is that by involving and depending beyond a point on the Government, either at the state or the centre is a sure recipe for failure and I think we need to muster the resources and support from private sponsors and create viable self sustaining models for future development of Kannada.

I think the task of Kannada implementation in IT and convergence areas is a huge and complex task and needs co-operation from all well meaning Kannadigas and instead of wasting energies on a few wayward individuals or organizations, let us concentrate on the task ahead.

Vandanegalu,

Anand S.K.

M.D.

Cyberscape Multimedia Ltd.

P.S.: As far as specific points raised at the meeting of May 25th at CIIL, Mysore is concerned, these are my personal reactions:

While most of the points were clarified correctly by Pavanaja and others at the meeting, I have comments regarding these:

1. Open Source Initiative: I think no where is the world does an open source initiative depend on either the government or the bureaucracy, the very idea of open source is based on passionate support by individuals and autonomous groups. The moment a government or bureaucracy steps in, the idea is dead. At best outside support from them should be welcome and not a screening commitee under MIT or DIT as suggested.

2. OpenType Kannada Fonts: I think Pavanaja has put it quite rightly, that unless there is an incentive for putting quality Kannada fonts into public domain, no commercial organization like ours which has a wealth of such fonts would be willing to do so. We who have been developing such fonts (AKRUTI) well over two decades would not like a repeat of the experience, we had when our fonts were pirated off the Web and used without acknowledgement, first by an individual who went on to release a free software and then by an organization which followed suit. Unless IPR is recognized and compensated for, you can expect very little to happen. I am also happy to inform that three high quality Opentype fonts in Kannada called Sampige and Mallige and Kedage (developed commercially by us for RCILTS-Kannada, IISC, Bangalore) by us are available in public domain for general usage. More can be done provided proper mechanisms are set in place. ” Quality always comes at a price, so if you pay peanuts all you can hire are monkeys !! “

3. GOK and GOI involvement: I think while it is important to rally around the government to support the efforts to develop Kannada, it is high time we broke out of the “Mai Baap” mentality in the 21st century  to refer every issue to the government or its functionaries and hope that they will solve it for us. I personally feel that if the issue of Kannada usage has to rely on government patronage or is so sick that it needs continual oxygen from the state then it is better for us to administer “Euthanasia” and solve the problem once and for all. Ultimately, it must become commercially viable and necessary to communicate in Kannada whether verbally, textually or electronically for development to happen and be self sustaining. Kannada has survived over 2000 years without any significant State patronage, so let us not be unduly worried that it will die in the electronic medium so soon, especially when the whole world seems to be recognizing that India and more specifically Karnataka and Bangalore will be playing an increasingly greater role on the world stage.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Janardhana channagiri” <
janardhana_cs@yahoo.com>
To: <
ganakaparishat@rediffmail.com>; “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja”
<
pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>; <srinatha_sastry@yahoo.com>;
<
sastry@ead.cmmacs.ernet.in>
Cc: <
raghavbh@anz.com>; <anilthalli@yahoo.com>; <dksesh@hotmail.com>;
<
ksnaveen@indiatimes.com>; <ksn_india@yahoo.com>; <ladu@isac.ernet.in>;
<
ramesh_naidu_v@yahoo.com>; <srivathsajoshi@yahoo.com>;
<
brnag@isac.ernet.in>; <janardhana_cs@yahoo.com>; <NovaMed@aol.com>;
<
ptejasvi@sanch.zeeaccess.com>; <hoy2hoy@yahoo.com>; <pandita@eth.net>;
<
panditaradhya@sancharnet.in>; <gnnmurthy@yahoo.com>;
<
pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>; <kts_gowda@yahoo.com>;
<
bhujanga@sancharnet.in>; <sampiges@hotmail.com>; <hoysala_usa@yahoo.com>;
<
venkat@kannadakasturi.com>; <narmada@mgmt.iisc.ernet.in>;
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arasan@bgl.vsnl.net.in>; <hpnadig@pacific.net.in>; <hpnadig@yahoo.co.in>;
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pramodleo@yahoo.co.uk>; <bheemesh@prodigylabs.com>; <arun@sharma-home.net>;
<
yesgr@vsnl.com>; <Thejesh_GN@infosys.com>; <shashishekhars@yahoo.com>;
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sathya_asn@yahoo.com>; <sharada@ciil.stpmy.soft.net>;
<
kmharsha@hotmail.com>; <anand@cyberscapeindia.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: REPLY from Srinatha Shastry of KGP

> Namaskara,
>
> Why can not we hold a meeting of all the members of
> Kannada Ganaka Parishat including life members, active
> or inactive members. This should help every one to get
> all the clarifications and putting all the documents
> across the table.
>
> This should really help to straighten things if there
> are anything going wrong, if not this will make every
> body aware that things are fine. This helps us in
> pursuing a proper vision for Kannada and Kannada
> computing.
>
> I really don’t want Kannada to suffer, GOK to suffer.
> This type controversies also throw bad light on
> organizational activities and drives people away from
> such work even when they want to do it. I think it
> would be good in all respects if Ganaka Parishat
> executive committee can call for a meeting.
>
> If we have lack of contact information of all the
> members then we can of course advertise in all the
> Kannada dailies.
>
> This is my suggestion to ease the air, take out the
> pollution and increase the health of activities.
>
> If there is anything wrong in my thinking  please
> advise me. Elders – Please guide us.
>
> dhanyavaada,
> Janardhana
>
> — “Dr. U.B. Pavanaja” <
pavanaja@vishvakannada.com>
> wrote:
> > namaskaara,
> >
> > This kind of reply does not suit to the calibre of
> > Chief Secretary of a responsible(?)
> > organisation. How did the committee come to the
> > conclusion that the questions asked are
> > not with any good intension? What are the questions
> > that you have put in the committee?
> > Have you put ALL the mails that were sent to you in
> > front of the committee? What is the
> > guarantee that you have ACTUALLY shown the committee
> > members ALL the mails that
> > have been received by you? If you do really believe
> > in democracy and transperancy, please
> > provide the name(s), phone number(s) and email ids
> > of ALL the committee members who
> > were present in the meeting, so that the questions
> > can be directly sent to those people.
> >
> > dhanyavaadhagaLoMdhige, obba vasthuniShTa kannaDiga.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pavanaja
> >
> > >
> > > namaskara kannadigarige
> > >
> > > Today I received this letter from Sri Srinatha
> > Shastry of KGP. Sri. Panditharadhya had
> > written the
> > > same thing 10 days ago. He has sent a such a one
> > pargraph information as a word
> > attachment.
> > > —————–
> > > Forwarded Message:
> > > Subj:
> > > From C V S Sastry
> > >
> > > Date:
> > > 6/10/2004 3:07:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> > >
> > > From:
> > >
srinatha_sastry@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > To:
> > >
NovaMed@aol.com
> > >
> > > Sent from the Internet (Details)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Sri Kumaraswamy,Namskaragalu. Please see the
> > attached file.
> > >
> > > Thanking you
> > > Yours
> > > C V Srinatha Sastry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ————————————————————————–
——————————————–
> > ——-
> > >
> > > ªÀiÁ£ÀågÉ,
> > >
> > > ¤ÃªÀÅ PÀ¼ÀÄ»¸ÀÄwÛgÀĪÀ ¥ÀvÀæUÀ¼À£ÀÄß PÀ£ÀßqÀ UÀtPÀ
> > ¥ÀjµÀwÛ£À
> > PÁAiÀÄðPÁj ¸À«ÄwAiÀÄÄ UÀªÀĤ¹vÀÄ.
> > > CªÀÅUÀ¼À°è ¥Àæ¸ÁÛ¦¹gÀĪÀ CA±ÀUÀ¼ÀÄ ¸ÀzÀÄzÉÝñÀ¢AzÀ
> > PÀÆr®è JAzÀÄ
> > ¸À«ÄwAiÀÄÄ C©ü¥ÁæAiÀÄ¥ÀnÖvÀÄ.
> > > F §UÉÎ ¥ÀvÀæªÀåªÀºÁgÀªÀ£ÀÄß £ÀqɸÀ¢gÀ®Ä ¸À«ÄwAiÀÄÄ
> > wêÀiÁð¤¹vÀÄ.
> > >
> > > PÀ£ÀßqÀ UÀtPÀ ¥ÀjµÀwÛUÉ ¸ÀA§A¢ü¹zÀ ªÀiÁ»wUÀ¼ÀÄ
> > PÀ£ÀßqÀ UÀtPÀ ¥ÀjµÀwÛ£À
> > C¢üPÀÈvÀ eÁ®vÁtzÀ°è ®¨sÀå«zÉ.
> > >
http://www.kagapa.org/
> > >
> > > EAvÀÄ
> > > ªÀAzÀ£ÉUÀ¼ÉÆqÀ£É
> > > a « ²æãÁxÀ±Á¹ÛçÃ
> > > ¥ÀæzsÁ£À PÁAiÀÄðzÀ²ð,
> > > PÀ£ÀßqÀ UÀtPÀ ¥ÀjµÀvÀÄÛ
> > >
> >
> ————————————————————————–
——————————————–
> > —-
> > >
> > > No kannadiga need to visit KGP website to find the
> > answer. KGP website is having
> > ILLEGAL
> > > information. When I visited their website they
> > have copied information to their website
> > from
> > > another website. KGP website misrepresents facts.
> > Kannadigas need to be AWARE of
> > > this.Just like all kannadigas are answering openly
> > for questions KGP and it,s Executives
> > need to
> > > the same. THIS IS CALLED as stalling tactics in
> > LAW.
> > >
> > > THEY ARE AFFRAID of things that have taken place
> > in KGP whileDeveloping Kannada
> > Software
> > > or WHILE they received information from other
> > Kannada Software Developers for
> > Certification of
> > > their Software.
> > >
> > > WHAT A SENSLESS WAY WASTING KANNADIGAS TIME.
> > >
> > > GoK recognised KGP only because of other
> > KANNADIGAS were part of the KGP TEAM.
> > >
> > > In all its reality KGP is not qualified for
> > developing Kannada software on the following
> > grounds:
> > > 1. KGP was not existing for three years prior to
> > sanctioning funds.
> > > 2. KGP has not developed any software prior to
> > sanctioning of funds.
> > > 3. KGP is a certifying agency according to GO of
> > GoK. This happenned because other
> > kannadigas were
> > > involved with them at that time. They are nolonger
> > involved with KGP. KGP has kicked
> > tem out without any
> > > reasons.
> > >
> > > A certifying agency itself can’t enter into
> > development of competitive products which they
> > are
> > > supposed to certify as it is most illogic like a
> > referee, umpire or an examiner himself taking
> > the
> > > competition by himself.
> > >
> > > THEY ARE THINKING KANNADIGAS WILL NOT COME
> > TOGETHER AND KGP COULD
> > WAIT
> > > IT OUT. this is not going to happen.
> > >
> > >
> > > ONE of the reason for doing this might be due to
> > the following reason as writtenin an
> > email by Mr.
> > > N. Anabarsan to all of us.
> > >
> > > “KGP doesn’t have any expertise in developing
> > software. KGP has developed Nudi in a
> > > clandestine manner. As KGP is the certifying
> > agency, all the Kannada software developers
> > > have submitted their software. KGP gained inner
> > details by means of demonstration and
> > > discussions etc with developers (please note that
> > GoK has not disclosed any details on
> > > developing their Kannada software Nudi). KGP
> > pirated the fonts submitted to it by various
> > > Kannada software developers.”
> > > It looks like KGP and it’s Executives are not
> > interested in solving the problems of
> > Kannadigas and
> > > KANNADA. They are taking confrontational attitude.
> > >
> > > Kannadigas we need to think of different
> > alternatives to combat this KGP and it’s
> > Executives. This
> > > has allready started. KANNADA Interested, Truth
> > telling, factfinding,honest people,
> > trustworthy,
> > > loyal people, have got together ONLY for the sake
> > of Findingthe truth on Developmental
> > > activities ofKannada Software by KGP and it’s
> > Executives. A meeting was called on May
> > 25th
> > > 2004by Dr. Halemane of CIIL at Mysore.
> > >
> > > The people who attended the meeting on May 25th
> > according to Dr. Halemaneare:
> > >
> > > Shri Poornachandra Tejaswi
> > > Dr Lingadevaru Halemane
> > > Sri B N S Rama
> > > Sri M Shivakumar
> > > Shri C V Srinatha Sastry
> > > Smt Sharada
> > > Dr Panditharadhya
> > > Shri A Sathyanarayana
> > > Dr U B Pavanaja
> > > Some of you might have received an email that I
> > received from Sri. Poornachandra
> > Tejasvi.
> > >
> > > We should seek the advise of the committed
> > Kannadigas whose interest in KANNADA
> > and it’s
> > > development work.
> > >

September 24, 2006 - Posted by | Govt. of Karnataka - GoK, KANNADA FONTS

1 Comment »

  1. ANAND S. K. Writes:

    1. Open Source Initiative: I think no where is the world does an open source initiative depend on either the government or the bureaucracy, the very idea of open source is based on passionate support by individuals and autonomous groups. The moment a government or bureaucracy steps in, the idea is dead. At best outside support from them should be welcome and not a screening commitee under MIT or DIT as suggested.

    2. OpenType Kannada Fonts: I think Pavanaja has put it quite rightly, that unless there is an incentive for putting quality Kannada fonts into public domain, no commercial organization like ours which has a wealth of such fonts would be willing to do so. We who have been developing such fonts (AKRUTI) well over two decades would not like a repeat of the experience, we had when our fonts were pirated off the Web and used without acknowledgement, first by an individual who went on to release a free software and then by an organization which followed suit. Unless IPR is recognized and compensated for, you can expect very little to happen. I am also happy to inform that three high quality Opentype fonts in Kannada called Sampige and Mallige and Kedage (developed commercially by us for RCILTS-Kannada, IISC, Bangalore) by us are available in public domain for general usage. More can be done provided proper mechanisms are set in place. ” Quality always comes at a price, so if you pay peanuts all you can hire are monkeys !! “

    3. GOK and GOI involvement: I think while it is important to rally around the government to support the efforts to develop Kannada, it is high time we broke out of the “Mai Baap” mentality in the 21st century to refer every issue to the government or its functionaries and hope that they will solve it for us. I personally feel that if the issue of Kannada usage has to rely on government patronage or is so sick that it needs continual oxygen from the state then it is better for us to administer “Euthanasia” and solve the problem once and for all. Ultimately, it must become commercially viable and necessary to communicate in Kannada whether verbally, textually or electronically for development to happen and be self sustaining. Kannada has survived over 2000 years without any significant State patronage, so let us not be unduly worried that it will die in the electronic medium so soon, especially when the whole world seems to be recognizing that India and more specifically Karnataka and Bangalore will be playing an increasingly greater role on the world stage.

    Comment by ellakavi | September 24, 2006 | Reply


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