Kannada, Kannadiga, Kannadigaru, Karnataka,

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How to work for getting this Nudi as a FREE software? Or is it opensourced already?

Sada Kannada <sadakannada@yahoo.com> wrote August 3rd 2006,
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I guess, there are too many things and many people involved in stalling the progress of Kannada language implementation on computers. More sad is that they happen to be Kannadigas themselves. Since it happened sometime back we can forgive them and forget about all that. What we can do now is:

1) Make the Nudi, a FREE software so that our own Government funding does not create a software body which neither creates a good software nor allow others do it. Let the KGP work like a standardisation body with conforming to open standards and stressing the need for FREE software.
Let us all work towards getting this happen. Let us not worry about who all are behind this and their murky deeds. Let us concentrate on Kannada, our language than tarnishing some foolish people.

2) There should be scope for anyone to involve in the Kannada work, if someone volunteers. The font problem, problem of understanding some closed standards, problem of not having some existing codebase to start with should not be there. There should be enough opportunities for Kannadigas to learn more about the language and its implementation on computers.

3) There should be level playing business in the market as far as the Kannada software development is concerned. Let someone not take neither the false credit for their derived work nor should they kill a person who is into legitimate business. Since every software vendor should share the software, the competition should be among who gives a better service rather than who is good at keeping the software closed, so that his / their murky deeds are kept secret. The KGP should oversee this (can this happen).

All this is only my opinion. Since I am not a legal person, I don’t know how these things can be brought to effect or if all I have said are viable.

In any case, the foremost thing that has to happen is getting the Nudi software as FREE software, so that someone, somewhere when he/she gets interest can work with the existing code base. Let it work like reference code. How to work for getting this Nudi as a FREE software (with source code available, not like BARAHA)? Or is it opensourced already?

These are my opinions. Please pour in your comments. I guess we all will be happy to see more comments on this.

Sada Shiva

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Read the following, you will know about KSD ISSUES and What some KANNADIGAS wanted to happen in KSD and do for KSD.


Minutes of the meeting on Kannada Software Development “KSD”

A meeting was convened on 16-07-04 at Vijayanagara Club, Bangalore, to discuss some of the issues related to Kannada Software. Following members had attended the meeting.

1. Sri. Purnachandra Tejaswi – Famous writer, Mudigere

2. Dr Chandrshekhara Kambara -MLC and famous writer, Bangalore

3. Prof. G. Venkatasubbayya – Lexicographer and famous writer, Bangalore

4. Sri R. S. Rajaram, Proprietor, Navakarnataka Publications, Bangalore

5. Sri S. K. Anand, MD, Cyberscape, Bangalore

6. Dr. Pavanaja – CEO, Vishwa Kannada Softech, Bangalore

7. Sri. Gyanesh – Software Engineer, Bangalroe

8. Sri. Satyanarayana – Software Engineer, Bangalore

9. Sri K Krishna Kumar, Software Engineer, Bangalore

10. Dr. Lingadevaru Halemane – CIIL, Mysore, Convener of the meeting

11. Sri K.T. Satheesh Gowda – EKAVI, Bangalore Chapter and Software Engineer

12. Sri Somashekhar – Software Engineer, Bangalore

In addition to the above participants, we had invited the following persons.

1. Prof. B.N. Sreeram – Publisher, Mysore

2. Sri. Srinatha Shastry – Chief Secretary, Kannada Ganaka Parishat, Bangalore

3. Sri. G.N. Narasimha Murthy, Secretary, Kannada Ganaka Parishat, Bangalore

4. Dr. Panditharadhya – Kannada Ganaka Parishat, Mysore

5. Dr. B. Mallikarjun – CIIL, Mysore

6. Shivakumar – Editor, Aparanji

7. Dr. Sharada – CIIL, Mysore

However, they did not attend the meeting.

Dr. Lingadevaru started by welcoming everyone for the meeting and explained the background for conducting the meeting. He circulated the minutes of the meeting held at Central Institute of Indian Languages, Mysore, on May 25, 2004. He explained the necessity to call this meeting of technical experts and linguists to take the advice on the issues concerned about Kannada Software Development.

Dr Lingadevaru thanked Sri Poornachandra Tejasvi, Dr Chandrashekhara Kambara, Prof G Venkatasubbayya, Sri R S Rajaram, ministers Sri Siddaramayya & Sri M P Prakash and all others for showing keen interest and extending support. He also thanked Sri V M Kumaraswamy, founder of E-KAVI organization and its Bangalore chapter members Satheesh Gowda, Somashekhar and his team for taking all the troubles. He felt that this entire culmination is due to the extra efforts of E-KAVI.

Dr Lingadevaru started the discussions. There should be free and level playing field for Kannada software developments. We should use and encourage the software developed by the developers. Writers and artists have passion for the language but have limitations in understanding the technologies. But they can not be silent spectators when Kannada language is becoming extinct due to the onslaught of technological enhancements. Everyone felt on the May 25th meeting that things are not alright in Kannada Software Development. Members felt that the Govt should be pressurized to take steps to create enough opportunities for Kannada software developments and encourage such developments. At the same time no body should feel that this is a fight against Kannada Ganaka Parishat.

Sri K P Poornchandr Tejasvi took up the issue of lack of availability of good fonts for printing and publishing. Govt feels that it is the biggest customer. Even though it is correct, it is also important to have good fonts and related technologies for commercial printing. It is not enough if the software development is done targeting only the Govt requirements. All Kannadigas should get the benefit of technology. The problems of adapting technology for Kannada should end. If we don’t solve these problems Kannada will become extinct very soon. The monopoly of any one organization or Govt is hindering the growth of Kannada software development. Kannada software development should strive in an area of healthy competition. We can’t expect anything good from Kannada Ganaka Parisht which consists of technically unqualified people. Govt should withdraw the notification making Kannada Ganaka Parishat as the certifying body for Kannada software. Govt should also withdraw the notification making it mandatory for Govt departments to use only Nudi software. These steps are a must for encouraging all software developers.

He appreciated all those developers who foresaw the requirements for Kannada at the early stages and developed the software as per the need. Rajaram felt that there should be free and open market for Kannada software development and selling. Any monopoly is not good for the development. He also remembered the scientific research and development done by Dr Reddy, Prajavani newspaper for keyboard layout for Kannada and the font design by Kamalesh under the guidance of Prof G Venkatasubbayya.

Whatever be the internal problems of Kannada Ganaka Parishat, we should appreciate the passion for Kannada of their office bearers, felt Rajaram. He felt that we should invite the office bearers of Kannada Ganaka Parishat for the meeting. It was brought to the notice that the invitation has gone to the office bearers of Kannada Ganaka Parishat, but no one has turned up. Tejasvi appreciated the good work done by Kannada Ganaka Parishat in digitizing the pampabharatha. But he added that such works can be done by anyone and this kind of jobs should not be the priority of Kannada Ganaka Parishat. They should not forget their primary aim of developing basic tools and technologies needed for the Kannada software development. He opined that Kannada Ganaka Parishat is incompetent bear the responsibility and taking forward the Kannada Software development.

At this time Lingadevaru drew the attention of the people towards a letter sent by Kannada Ganaka Parishat in reply to the minutes of the meeting of CIIL meet of May 25, 2004. He read out the letter written by the chief secretary of Kannada Ganaka Parishat. He mentioned that according to this letter the issues discussed at CIIL meet are not issues at all and they have been taken care already. S K Anand reacted saying that Kannada Parishat expects software developers to co-operate with them. But how can one co-operate with an organization which pirates the fonts developed by others and cheats the Govt, he felt. He added that the situation wherein Kannada Ganaka Parishat, which is the certifying agency for Kannada software, making its own software, is like a referee himself running the race and then declaring himself as the winner. Dr Lingadevaru opined that the points mentioned in the letter written by Kannada Ganaka Parishat are nothing but a ploy to divert the attention. He read out a portion of the letter wherein Kannada Ganaka Parishat has asked as to what is the wrong recommendation sent to Unicode. Dr Pavanaja reacted to this questioning the wisdom of Shrinatha Shasthry and Dr Panditharadhya who were present at CIIL meeting wherein he (Pavanaja) had explained in detail about this. Pavanaja also wondered why these two gentlemen did not clarify this during the CIIL meeting itself.

Computer field is changing at a rapid pace. Nudi has already become obsolete in the context of Unicode. Representing Kannada at national and international level is the need of the hour. Unicode is must for this. These were the opinion of Dr Pavanaja. Windows 98 does not support Kannada Unicode. But there could have been a facility in Nudi to save the typed text as Unicode. Then it is not possible to open and edit such a text in Windows 98. But there could have been a facility in Nudi to convert the Unicode text back into the old technology for editing on Windows 98. This is quite easy to accomplish and Pavanaja wondered why such a small facility has not been included in Nudi software. There is no solution for the problems faced while using Nudi. If the source code of Nudi is put in the public domain interested people can work to improve it, opined Pavanaja. Gyanesh questioned what the benefits of making Nudi opensource are. He also asked about the standardization vis-a-vis making Nudi opnesource. Pavanaja replied that opensource concept works under the purview standardization. At present Nudi has only some standardization but there are not many useful features. There are so many bugs in Nudi. This is the opinion of majority of the application software developers who are using Nudi Software Development toolkit. There are lots of doubts about the professionalism in making and maintaining the Nudi software. For once it is doubtful about Govt possessing the source code of Nudi. Then there is doubt about proper documentation of Nudi. What happens to Nudi if the programmer of Nudi, K M Harsha, goes to some foreign country? Nobody has thought in these lines. If the sourcecode of Nudi is avilable in public domain, the bugs present in it can be fixed by passionate experts. Moreover, Nudi is funded by Govt, hence every citizen has a right on its source code. In case of Linux enthusiasts, some parts of the code of Nudi which deals with Windows API might not be useful, but all other code which deals with core concepts like keyboard handling, sorting, etc. will be definitely useful. In fact Kannada Linux enthusiasts are desperately looking for the source code of Nudi for implementing Kannada sorting.

Gyanesh suggested that there should be a consortium similar to the Unicode consortium consisting of technologists, writers, consumers of software and Govt representatives which will address the issues concerned with Kannada software development. That consortium should evolve and publish all standards pertaining to Kannada software development. All works should be carried out as per these standards. Pavanaja replied that there was such a committee. But it looked into the standardization of glyphset for monolingual truetype font only. Afterwards there were no activities towards any standardization at Govt level. That committee did not standardize glyphset for bi-lingual font. But Kannada Ganaka Parishat included bi-lingual fonts in Nudi versions 3 & 4. A myth has been created that whatever made by Kannada Ganaka Parishat is the standard. But Ganaka Parishat has failed in this endeavor. Hence there should be a permanent committee at the Govt level to look into standardization, opined Pavanaja.

Rajaram continued the discussions about fonts from where he had left it earlier. There were very good foundry types prior to the advent of DTP. In computers everyone gave importance to text fonts and no body bothered about headline fonts. We need good headline fonts for Kannada, opined Rajaram. Pavanaja replied to this highlighting the technical advancements that have been made in the concept of fonts by the availability of opentype fonts. In opentype fonts, there is no limitation of number of glyphs as in the case of truetype fonts. We can have thousands of glyphs to address every specific need. The need of the hour is to make 10-12 very high quality opentype fonts for Kannada. This needs investments in the form of resource, time and money. There is no mechanism to protect the fonts from not being copied by some means. Creating and selling opentype fonts is not a commercially viable business. Hence the stake holders like Govt, printers and publishers, newspapers, etc have to mobilize the necessary resources and fund the devlopment of opentype fonts for Kannada, opined Pavanaja. Rajarama seconded this suggestion. Tejasvi added that Govt must support and fund this activity. If they can spend crores of Rupees for Sahithya Sammelanas why can’t they fund these really useful and absolutely necessary activities, he wondered.

Dr Chandrashekhara Kambara told to the members that he has taken initiative at Govt level and has already done preliminary rounds of talks. He mentioned that he has brought to the notice of Chief Minister, Deputy Chief Minister and Shri M P Prakash. He promised to help in all respects for step by step implementation of the resolutions of this meeting. Let us inform everyone through media. Then let us submit a memorandum to the Govt. I will bring this issue in the forthcoming session of the assembly. Let us also invite all Kannada associations to join hand. Govt has opened a separate department for E-Governance. All computerization work at the Govt level must include Kannada and it should follow standards, opined Dr Kambara.

A Sthyanarayana took up the issue of computerization of Govt departments. He explained the steps taken by Kannada Development Authority in this regard. Due to the interest of Chandrashekhara Patil, then President of Kannada Development Authority, notification was issued for the standardized keyboard layout. Prof Baragooru Ramachandrappa made the Computer Kannada action plan. This action plan was supposed to be implemented through Dept of Information Technology. They gave the responsibility to Kannada Ganaka Parishat. It is a big question as to what happened to this action plan. Nudi was made during the period of Prof Bargooru. There was no proper training to the Govt staff in using it. The aim of implementing Kannada in all administrative work is getting backstabbed in the name of computerization. He gave the example of computerization of treasury. Prior to computerization all the works of treasury department were being carried out in Kannada. Now the things have changed after computerization. Now everything is in English due to computerization. Kannada Devlopment Authority can only issue guidelines and memos. But the implementation of these guidelines depends on the respective departments. There is no training at all for the Govt staff on using Kannada on computers. This training is very important. The present computer training policy of Govt has no place for Kannada. Govt has awarded the training contract to big names. It is important that the medium of instruction of these training and the usage of computer must be Kannada. Likewise the medium of instructions and the examples used in the “mahiti sindhu” project of the Govt should be in Kannada.

Members took serious view of the fact that as per some report of experts, Kannada is in the forefront of dying languages of South India. We are in the critical juncture of saving and giving long life to Kannada language. If we don’t act now Kannada will remain as a spoken language in villages. In the context of these, the following resolutions were adopted unanimously.

Resolutions:

1. There should be a permanent committee to look into various aspects of standardization and implementation of Kannada on computers. This committee should also take care of various aspects of the technical problems faced, their solutions, the software to be developed, their priorities, etc. This committee should be constituted by the Govt immediately. This committee should consist of computer experts with good knowledge of Kannada, Kannada experts with knowledge of computers, printers and publishers, newspaper owners/journalists, Kannada writers and Kannada software experts.

2. All Kannada software developers should be encouraged. Kannada software development should happen in a healthy competitive environment. Kannada Ganaka Parishat also should compete with other commercial vendors. Since Kannada Ganaka Parishat is also into Kannada software development, the Govt notification appointing Ganaka Parishat as the certifying agency for Kannada software should be withdrawn.

3. The source code of Nudi software which is developed by Govt funding should be kept in public domain by making Nudi as opensource software.

4. Pressure should be applied to Govt to implement these resolutions.

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PRESS RELEASE

There is a need for a substantial improvement of Kannada Language Software from a usability perspective. In context of the problems arising in the usage of Kannada Language Software it is essential for all the software vendors, government bodies & language experts to form a consortium to solve the issues and technical hitches in the usage of Kannada Language Software. The usage of Kannada language software should not be constrained by or be dependent on a particular entity or a body for certification. The consortium or governmental body must evolve the standards so that the usage of Kannada language software is not at the mercy of a monopoly.

The Kannada language software ‘NUDI’ must be distributed, as “Open Source Code” for the development, enhancement and modification according to the user needs

Since not much importance given to Kannada language software or its vendors, it is lagging behind all the others southern languages in India. Kannada language software is in a perilous condition much behind other southern Indian languages.

The Government of Karnataka reposes complete faith in Kannada Ganaka Parishath (KGP), which is monopolizing all software development in Kannada related to the governmental departments or undertakings. KGP, which has developed NUDI software and for distribution to all governmental departments, uses bilingual fonts, which are against GOK standards and of a poor quality. Research and development pertaining to Kannada software has come to a stand still due to the monopoly of the KGP, which as seen above are not standards compliant. The advice given by KGP to governmental bodies with respect to Kannada software is of unconstructive nature, and it leads to confusion, confrontation and conflict between the independent Kannada software developers and the authorities.

The development of Kannada Language Software should not be restricted to a sole monopolistic body. Other independent software vendors must be given an opportunity for research & development of Kannada Language Software. Certification of Kannada software must not be given to the same monopoly which also develops it, instead the standards must be set by the government and approval of all Kannada language software must be channelised through the consortium authorized by the Government of Karnataka.

Though the government of Karnataka had identified the list of key thrust areas where Kannada language software development is necessary, the responsibility for development was handed over to KGP, which has only managed to develop NUDI software whereas other major and critical areas requiring research / development has been neglected.

Future research & development in Kannada language software should be given to independent Kannada language software developers who have already developed and implemented the same in various institutions / organisations etc.

KGP has failed to properly represent the interests of Kannada software nationally and globally, which is an indicator that KGP is not capable of handling such responsibilities.


Under the guidance of a society dedicated to Kannada the government of Karnataka should authorise the consortium to undertake and oversee all the activities pertaining to Kannada software development nationally and globally.

A society must be created by the government of Karnataka, dedicated only to the development of Kannada language software comprising of software engineers, publishers, eminent writers, journalists and litterateurs.

Shri. K P Poornachandra Tejaswi

Dr Chandrashekar Kambhar

Prof. G Ventakasubbaiah

Dr. Lingadevaru Halemane

Bangalore

July 16, 2004

August 26, 2006 - Posted by | Baraha, Kannada and Open source, Sheshadri Vasu, Sheshadrivasu, VASU

24 Comments »

  1. Sir,
    No software in Kannada will support to other fonts of other software viz. Leap Office(ISM font) both billinguial and Monolinguial, Surabhi, Akruthi,Nudi,Baraha(these two supports to each other). Kannada Software has been so much commercialised not to support other software fonts or converting each other. Is there any single software which supports and converts billinguial and Monolingual fonts of each and every softwares others developed like KGP,Baraha,Akruthi,Surabhi,Leap Office(ISM), and so on.

    Intimate me soon.

    Comment by Sathyanarayana.R.G. | September 23, 2006 | Reply

  2. no mention

    Comment by harish | November 14, 2007 | Reply

  3. very helpful by the kannnada languege in my Life

    Comment by harish | November 14, 2007 | Reply

  4. Nudi is a good and easy software to use.

    Comment by Anjali | September 26, 2008 | Reply

  5. Its reali use full for the kannadigas

    Comment by Dilip | September 30, 2008 | Reply

  6. xxx

    Comment by chethan | October 9, 2008 | Reply

  7. kannada software is really good

    Comment by chethan | October 9, 2008 | Reply

  8. Dear Sir,

    I need to download Free Kannada Nudi 4.0 Version.

    Thanks and Regards

    D.Siddesh

    Comment by D.Siddeswara Swamy | January 9, 2009 | Reply

  9. verry good

    Comment by m.kiran | February 12, 2009 | Reply

  10. Dear Sir,

    Iam very much thankful for the people who developed this software. Being kannadiga I am very much happy working with nudi. Thanks, thanks a lot.

    Comment by RAMESH RAO. D. K. | February 21, 2009 | Reply

  11. I love kannada, my breath kannada, my soul is kannada

    Jai karnataka
    Siri Gannadam Gelge
    Siri ganadam Balge

    Comment by Raju.c | March 25, 2009 | Reply

  12. pl send nudi software

    Comment by abhay | June 3, 2009 | Reply

  13. please send Nudi software

    Comment by mallikarjuna | July 18, 2009 | Reply

  14. Dear Sir,

    I need to download Free Kannada Nudi 4.0 Version.

    Thanks and Regards

    Comment by latha.s | July 27, 2009 | Reply

  15. Kannada hechu hechu internetnalli balakeyagabeku
    I have one ambition i e. Kannada become one of First language in the world.
    Jai Karnataka Mathe
    Jai Bharatha Mathe

    Comment by Poornima | August 4, 2009 | Reply

  16. pls send me the software

    Comment by yogesh | August 5, 2009 | Reply

  17. Dear sir,
    I request you to send the nudi latest version software

    Comment by Yash | August 10, 2009 | Reply

  18. I want NUDI software for my computer which is free as informed by a government department official

    Comment by vasudev | November 10, 2009 | Reply

  19. I need the software ‘Nudi 4.0’. Pls send me the software so that is can make use of it.

    Dayamaadi nanage sahaya maadi !!!!

    Inthi nimmava,

    Rajesh K.R.

    Comment by Rajesh K.R. | February 8, 2010 | Reply

  20. I need the software ‘Nudi 4.0′. Pls send me the software so that is can make use of it.

    Dayamaadi nanage sahaya maadi !!!!

    Inthi nimmava,

    manjunatha D

    Comment by manjunatha.d | February 21, 2010 | Reply

  21. I Love Kannada. I need the Nudi 4.0. Pls send me, it may be very useful for me.

    Comment by Vasudha Saliyan | March 16, 2010 | Reply

  22. I am proud to see that the “NUDI 4.0” has been making waves ever since its launch. My heartiest congrqatulations to all those behind this great creation.I also want to make use of the same. Please send me the software.
    Thanks and Regards,
    M.V.Mohandas

    Comment by M.V.MOHANDAS | September 8, 2010 | Reply

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    Comment by anitha1234 | October 23, 2010 | Reply

  24. sir pleas send english to kannada translet keyboard softwer thanks regards

    Comment by Mahantesh | February 2, 2012 | Reply


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